SERMORELIN: A BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO hGH???

[HeadDoc]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

Head Doc,
awesome. That is exactly what my friend noted - his sleep was incredible. He said he slept right threw his alarm clocks. Interesting.

What are you paying?

Later for the source and price. I do believe that my use is ahead of the curve here. I suspect that will change soon. The owner of a local compounding pharmacy gave me reason for not supplying it yet. And all that had to do with volume of requests and start up costs.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by HeadDoc

Later for the source and price. I do believe that my use is ahead of the curve here. I suspect that will change soon. The owner of a local compounding pharmacy gave me reason for not supplying it yet. And all that had to do with volume of requests and start up costs.

You wanna talk about start up costs?

My friend told me the machine used to make/manufacture sermorelin costs $100,000

They are in talks right now of finding a compounding pharmacy, and looking to buy one in exchange with the pharmacy to do all the grunt work.

Lucky me, I have a huge access to all the inside info

[HeadDoc]

I have at best second hand information about startup costs for the pharmacies. College Pharmacy and APS Pharmacy offer sermorelin. Some antiaging docs are buying and selling to their patients.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by HeadDoc

I have at best second hand information about startup costs for the pharmacies. College Pharmacy and APS Pharmacy offer sermorelin. Some antiaging docs are buying and selling to their patients.

The problem right now Doc is that they(a majority of pharmacy's, and I would assume college is as well) is getting their sermorelin from a chinese manufacturer. I would say 9 out of 10 Docs today doesn't have first hand access to sermorelin - they are all getting it threw foreign subsidiaries. This is due to the fact i stated above - the machine costs 100,000, so most compounders don't have access to it.

This is obviously not a long term solution, as in everything it seems(especially medicine) coming out of china can be a very shady situation to be involved in. Quality can be suspect.

Time will tell what happens.

Anyone want to become a multi millionaire? Buy a sermorelin machine and lease it out. Your welcome

[cpeil2]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

My friend told me the machine used to make/manufacture sermorelin costs $100,000

I wonder what kind of machine. The manufacturing process for recombinant proteins involves a lot more than a single machine.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by cpeil2

I wonder what kind of machine. The manufacturing process for recombinant proteins involves a lot more than a single machine.

We didn't get into specifics, but Im sure any piece of equipment costing that much is more than just a big hunk of metal

I haven't the slightest clue, who knows.

[cpeil2]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

We didn't get into specifics, but Im sure any piece of equipment costing that much is more than just a big hunk of metal

I haven't the slightest clue, who knows.

It's small change in the biotech industry. I am wondering if he's talking about a machine that takes bulk product and repackages it into smaller units for retail sale. A kg. of the chinese sermorelin can be purchased for less than $2000.00.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by cpeil2

It's small change in the biotech industry. I am wondering if he's talking about a machine that takes bulk product and repackages it into smaller units for retail sale. A kg. of the chinese sermorelin can be purchased for less than $2000.00.

You might be right.

They are NOT fond of dealing with the chinese though let me tell you. I won't get into specifics but lets just say it is quite a hassle. And quality, as always from foreign manufactores, lies strictly on good faith and ethics. , which are finding out runs thin with the chinese.

When your buying in bulk like this, and costs and time runs high, your basically bending over and hoping what your getting is clean/safe. Testing protocols for stuff like this is shaky.

Cpeil, I should be talking to him again this weekend - do you have any specific questions that would be pertinent?

[cpeil2]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

You might be right.

They are NOT fond of dealing with the chinese though let me tell you. I won't get into specifics but lets just say it is quite a hassle. And quality, as always from foreign manufactores, lies strictly on good faith and ethics. , which are finding out runs thin with the chinese.

When your buying in bulk like this, and costs and time runs high, your basically bending over and hoping what your getting is clean/safe. Testing protocols for stuff like this is shaky.

Cpeil, I should be talking to him again this weekend - do you have any specific questions that would be pertinent?

I'm curious about the business model. I really don't believe that any of these new players are actually manufacturing. The startup cost would probably be in the millions (possibly tens of millions), requiring specialized expertise and subjecting them to FDA oversight. I am thinking they are buying bulk sermorelin, perhaps from China, and repackaging.


I think Serono might still manufacture it, but probably in small quantities. They still promote it as an agent for diagnosing pediatric growth hormone deficiency.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by cpeil2

I'm curious about the business model. I really don't believe that any of these new players are actually manufacturing. The startup cost would probably be in the millions (possibly tens of millions), requiring specialized expertise and subjecting them to FDA oversight. I am thinking they are buying bulk sermorelin, perhaps from China, and repackaging.


I think Serono might still manufacture it, but probably in small quantities. They still promote it as an agent for diagnosing pediatric growth hormone deficiency.

I shall be seeing my buddy tonight, we'll have some good talks Im sure, and I will ask him about the specifics of whats going on.

Im a little uneducated in the specifics of biotech, but that shall change soon. Im looking to get into biotech consulting or sales when I get outta business school here in the near future. Are you involved in the industry.

[cpeil2]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

I shall be seeing my buddy tonight, we'll have some good talks Im sure, and I will ask him about the specifics of whats going on.

Im a little uneducated in the specifics of biotech, but that shall change soon. Im looking to get into biotech consulting or sales when I get outta business school here in the near future. Are you involved in the industry.

I used to be, no longer. But I still follow it because it is such a fascinating industry.

[poonja]

HeadDoc, what is/was your daily dose of sermorelin. Is the 200mcg your monthly usage, weekly dose or daily dose?

[plymouth city]

*Update*

Looks like they have found a reliable source within the USA.

One is...gulp...Signature. The other is Med something, can't remember(had a few glasses of wine at the art show last night, for the resveratrol content of course )

I talked in more specifics about the machine - its used to measure and distribute recombent proteins, whatever that means

[HeadDoc]

Originally Posted by poonja

HeadDoc, what is/was your daily dose of sermorelin. Is the 200mcg your monthly usage, weekly dose or daily dose?

200mcg is daily at hour of sleep. The vial is a 3mg get reconstituted with 3 ml of water.

[cpeil2]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

I talked in more specifics about the machine - its used to measure and distribute recombent proteins, whatever that means

Packaging - measuring the bulk product out and sealing it into vials under sterile conditions.