Tour De France "Floyd Landis"

[pmgamer18]

What do you think.
http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug...v=ap&type=lgns

[jimdmcd]

I dont buy that a one time use would do him much if any good
I also dont buy that it came about naturally (why wouldnt it have been high for the other days he has been cycling)
Perhaps a plant to discredit him or Americans in general ?

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

What do you think.
http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug...v=ap&type=lgns

Here is an interesting article that came out this week in the Miami New Times, totally unrelated to the article you posted, but it alleges that steroids in bicycling is more the norm and not the exception.


http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/...s/feature.html

[novice]

I think they definitely all use performance inhancing drugs to some extent. A natural athlete could not compete with one using steroids, EPO, blood transfusions, amphetamines, HGH, etc. Lance Armstrong admits to being hypogondal from testicular cancer, but says he was able to win the tour despite having low testosterone levels. Not sure about you but I can barely get out of bed for work with low testosterone, let alone win the Tour de France a 2,241mile race full of some of the worlds most elite athletes. I am a big fan of his but would definitely say he didnt win with low testosterone, or even train with low levels.

[farmerjohn]

I'm not so sure I agree. I am a big cyclist also. I used to ride thousands of miles a year. When I was first diagnoxed with hypogonadism my total T level was 98, yes that is in ng/mL. I had no idea based on how I felt energywise. I was cycling at the time, although not as many miles as I did when I was single, and I felt fine when riding. In fact I have ridden with many different people and have only met a handful I was not able to beat if we were racing. All my symptoms were sexual and possibly memory related and continue to be even now. I think I was hypogonadal for about 3 years before I was diagnosed and was cycling this entire time with no idea.

[love_en]

Just goes to show how low T affects people in different ways. Of course it all depends on what is important to the individual. I lived with the low libido and impotence for a long time. What had me crawling to the doctor's office was the "unable to get out of bed", the muscle wasting and the pain in my bones that hit me last year.

It is well known that endurance sports lowers T levels. However, I am sick and tired of all the bitching and micromanagement surrounding steroid use in sports. If we want to get back to the good old days, then ban athletes from the weight room, prohibt all vitamins/supplements and require a normal diet, no low carb, low fat, high protein diets. Knowing that intense excercise depletes cortisol and testosterone, those drugs are supplements in my eyes. I do not approve of the use of amphetamines or narcotics given their effects on health.

I cringe every time someone is busted for steroid use. Because if it is a celebrity, they just get a slap on the wrist and law enforcement is inspired to go crackdown on amateur users. It also makes it that much harder for someone like me to get treated for a medical problem.

[novice]

thats is very interesting bruce. I always made it into the gym and had good strength, but my levels were in the 400's, which I considered quite low for me being athletic and 28years old. I have felt good, and my sexual func is improved at times, but generally I would say its worse than when I started TRT. I have no idea what to do about this and have begun to research other forms of treatment.

[pcgizzmo]

When I found out I went 3 years before I could find a Dr. that would prescribe T and I actually stayed on it. My levels were under 200 on a consistent basis. 167, 189, 212, etc... I never lost muscle or energy really. In fact I have been accused of being a football player by many people. My libido was the biggest thing. Very strange how everyone is different.

Paul

[Millard Baker]

Originally Posted by novice

I think they definitely all use performance inhancing drugs to some extent. A natural athlete could not compete with one using steroids, EPO, blood transfusions, amphetamines, HGH, etc. Lance Armstrong admits to being hypogondal from testicular cancer, but says he was able to win the tour despite having low testosterone levels. Not sure about you but I can barely get out of bed for work with low testosterone, let alone win the Tour de France a 2,241mile race full of some of the worlds most elite athletes. I am a big fan of his but would definitely say he didnt win with low testosterone, or even train with low levels.

The drug culture of the Tour is almost as pervasive as that of professional bodybuilding. These are the two sports with the highest PED usage.

[Millard Baker]

Originally Posted by farmerjohn

I'm not so sure I agree. I am a big cyclist also. I used to ride thousands of miles a year. When I was first diagnoxed with hypogonadism my total T level was 98, yes that is in ng/mL. I had no idea based on how I felt energywise. I was cycling at the time, although not as many miles as I did when I was single, and I felt fine when riding. In fact I have ridden with many different people and have only met a handful I was not able to beat if we were racing. All my symptoms were sexual and possibly memory related and continue to be even now. I think I was hypogonadal for about 3 years before I was diagnosed and was cycling this entire time with no idea.

Aren't low testosterone levels coomon among extreme endurance athletes?

[farmerjohn]

Originally Posted by administrator

Aren't low testosterone levels coomon among extreme endurance athletes?

Well I dont know the answer to that. I certainly hope I didnt cause my secondary by my cycling. I was never in the category of someone like a professional cyclist but I did put in 5000 miles a year at one point on my bike and I rode hard and fast. I was trying to do something healthy and hope I never find out I was actually doing damage. I have never been on any steroids or any supplements until after diagnosed with secondary.

[HeadDoc]

anyone hear about the analysis of the "B" sample?

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by HeadDoc

anyone hear about the analysis of the "B" sample?

No not yet I think it takes a week to come back from the lab over there it can be longer.

[Millard Baker]

Originally Posted by HeadDoc

anyone hear about the analysis of the "B" sample?

No, but they did a "carbon isotope" test on sample "A" and determined the presence of "synthetic" testosterone.

Anyone familiar with the carbon isotope testing procedure and validity?

[pmgamer18]

No I never heard of this test where did you hear. I was gone most of the day yesterday had a death in the family. Seams lately this is all I am doing is going to Funerals.