TRT and Erections

[Drea'An]

Originally Posted by bonangus

Hi,
I have been on TRT for 6months now and feel 100 times better. My energy levels are great and I feel like my oldself. Im 36 years old. Problem is my erections are terrible. I take cialis or vagra but still they are nothing like they were before TRT. I was taking those tablets before TRT.
Could you pls tell me what blood tests I need to get done to give us some clues as to what needs to be done ?

Thanks in advance.

As long as I'm not red in the face, prostate isn't hurting, eyes aren't yellow, liver isn't aching, I'm all right. BTW, What's a blood test? LOL

[biceps72]

Originally Posted by BBC3

by the way, 5th injection into TRT at 200mgs, and I am now having some massive erections!!!!! Last night I was thinking I might like to knock it out. I kinda reached down and touched it a little and before I knew it, I had a blue head throbber that was bulletproof and probably cut diamonds. I mean, I walked from our bedroom to the daughters bedroom where she had gone to put her to sleep and when I sat down next to her it was still standing straight up with a monster swollen head!!! I have not seen this since 17 yr old. I even took 30 mins to massage her into the mood and still on ready, I could not believe it. I actually wondered if I was going to have a priapism. (is that spelled correctly). BUT, I then absolutely rocked her for 30 mins, shot one across the table and went away. Woke up again with same this morn. Went away after 10 mins and urinate. Seemed still normal enough for a 17 year old that is.... Sorry to be so graphic, but I am simple ecstatic about my life right now. The best part is that I have recent started paxil again and having that first 2-3 month sides that I love so much. Delayed ejaculation. The comination of this with the TRT is quit satisfying for all!!! SHould I worry about priapism???? I have heard that 60% of people that get one have permanent damage. And if so, do you think it is because they are delayed past 4 hours to go to the doc for whatever reason, embarassment, ignorance of danger, etc. Or, is it the actual proceedure they use to bring it down that causes the damage?? So much to learn. Thoughts greatly appreciated from all.

your less than 40 correct??? don't worry about having too hard a hardon or a hardon too long as long as you can get off within a reasonable length of time-- getting too hard can make it almoat impossible to blow a load. . Your not taking viagra, cialis or Levitra are you??

[benrock]

bonangus do me a favor and stop the arimadex for 7 days and let us know how the erections are ?

if that dont work check prolactin , i went to vit shop and got an herb called vitex and within 24 hrs i was harder then when i took a viagra , also 400 mg of b6 with multi vit , fishoil , arginine for blood flow .

get

test
free test
estrodiol
total estrogens
cbc
cmp
prolactin
dht


should give you some clues , if not could be mental test seems to give some performance anxiety

[BBC3]

Originally Posted by biceps72

your less than 40 correct??? don't worry about having too hard a hardon or a hardon too long as long as you can get off within a reasonable length of time-- getting too hard can make it almoat impossible to blow a load. . Your not taking viagra, cialis or Levitra are you??

No. I am 37 and as far as I am concerned that is "pandora's Box", and I AM AFRAID TO OPEN IT. I always thought that if I did, I may not get the same erections without it. OR I would be so happy with the wood that I would have to use all the time. Looking back, before I started Testosterone supplementation almost 2 years ago, my sex life was starting to really lack. I was in denial. Married for 3 years at the time and financial problems were more difficult to deal with and communication was just not as good with wife, so I was happy to get what I could, much les worry bout my cock. PLUS I am an adderall and nicotine user, so I was assuming that I just needed to cut back on those to solve the problem. Sex was not more than once every ten days, actually never, cause we were in high risk pregnancies for 3 years!!!! So was not worth backing of stimulants to find out if related. I assumed so because I have always been and remain athletic,(racquetball, gym, etc). I just did not think I had a problem.. And yes you are right about hard wood. I did not even have sex till age 19, so in retrospect, I really never even go t to test him in real action when he was at his best... The blue headed type hard wood really does last longer, and man does it satisfy!!. Normally, if I wanted to pop her repeatedly with a big head, I had to flex the prostate to "blow it up" so to speak, and of course you know that just leads to an early nut.... By the way, I hope I am not offending anyone, and yes, I am this comfortable discussing these issues in person as well. Life is too short, and we are all basically the same. There is no reason to be embarrassed once you remember EVERYONE is basically doing the same stuff..........

[Madball99]

Ttt

[BBC3]

by the way, what does ttt mean. I hope not terrible story..???

[bonangus]

Ive finally got my blood test results back. I have a supportive doctor so if I should get more blood tests done to workout what is not right please let me know ???

This is what I have so far

Testosterone 28.3 (Range 10 - 28)
Free Test 74.9 (Range 43-138)
Oestradiol 59 ( Range under 160)
TSH 1.64 (Range 0.3 - 4.00)
DHEAS 6.4 (Range 2.5 -13)

Blood was taken 72 hours after T shot.

My Protocol is - HCG 250iu on days 5 and 6. Testosterone 100mg per week. Arimidex 1/4 of a pill every 3 days.

[pmgamer18]

Need your units on them labs if your E2 was in the units of pmol/L then in my units pg/ml your at 16 this is why you can't get it up on Cialis. Stop the Arimidex until your night time and morning wood comes back then that day go back on it but do it every 4 days. I use my night time and moring wood to gage not to go to low. At this level 16 pg/ml I can't get it up taking 20mgs of cialis every 3 days.

If your units are in pg/ml you lab is not the right one you should have a range of 13 to 54 pg/ml still your to high and this will also kill your wood try doing .25mgs. of arimidex every other day. If wood does not start up the dose to .5 every other day.

[bonangus]

Thanks for your reply Pmgammer. I am in the units pmol/L. I am surprised that my E2 is to low. I am currently taking 1/4 of a pill of Arimidex every 3 days. Are you saying this is too much ?
I havnt had morning wood for 5 years ( i am 36) so I cant see going off the Arimidex bringing it back ??? Any other thoughts I would be very grateful for.
As I stated early I am feeling 100times better than I have in years. the only major problem is my erections

[benrock]

like i told you before stop taking the arim for 1 week and see the diff i promise it will work , then after that go to .25 2x per week , you need estrogen

[bonangus]

Thanks Benrock. I will give it a try. Can you pls explain how this will make a difference ?
I get gyno fairly easily and am worried not taking arimidex may bring it back ???

[pmgamer18]

Here is what I do when I first went on Arimidex it took .5mgs everyday to get my E2 down the first thing that it fixed was I did not have ED anymore and this was a problem for over 10yrs. When I found out about high E2 levels in men not many Dr.'s would even test this let alone treat it.

The first thing that come back was my night time and morning wood I have not had them for over 35yrs. This is when I knew I could try having sex with my wife with out the use of a penis pump and a ring. Well it worked. But it was like 2 weeks and I lost my night time and morning wood. I had to wait 3 more weeks to do labs and at the time the sensitive labs for e2 were not out yet. So my test come back saying <20 pg/ml for you this would be 73pmol/L anything below this for most men and you will lose your wood even taking a pill it will not get up.

So all I am saying is stop the arimidex until your night time and morning wood starts that day go back on the Arimidex but take it every 4 days. keep an eye out for your levels going to high like sore and hard nipples or feeling hot and sweating a lot. Your will feel this long before your wood stops one needs to be very high for wood to stop. I feel you never had your wood doing arimidex because you did to high a dose of it and went down so fast you missed the sweet spot.

So once you get your wood go back on Arimidex I know men that only need .25mgs once a week. If you are lean and have low % of body fat you don't need a lot to keep E2 down.

I told an 84 yr. old man at my H2 group about this he and his wife were still having sex but he need to use a pump to do this. He tested his e2 it was above 90 pg/ml he went on arimidex took him 4 weeks and he got night time and morning wood. But when he went to have sex he was so worried about it not staying up that half way through having sex he lost it. So all he needed to do was get some Cialis 20mgs and take it every 3 days this did the job and they were going at it 3 x's a week. I just heard back from him she can't have sex anymore some health problems but they are now 87 so he thanked for helping them to have 3 good yrs of sex at there age. So this works I don't care how old you are as long as you don't have anything wrong with your penis it will work.

[bonangus]

Thanks Pmgammer18, Ill go off the arimidex and wait for something to happen and then take a 1/4 of the pill.

Using my E2 numbers where should I be ??? When I saw that I was at 59 and the range was under 160 for men I thought that looked like I was in a good range ???? Could you pls explain this one to me ?

Also how does my T and Free T look to you ?

Thanks in advance.

[pmgamer18]

In your units you need to be around 73 this puts you at 20 in my units but this is just a tool you go by how you feel in this case how your wood is doing. As one goes to low there wood goes down until you can't get it up. Some mornings you need to play with it to be sure your not to low if you can't get it up fast your low. Best to get this before you go to low the longer your to low the longer it can take to get back up once it took me 6 weeks to get back to some go hard wood.

In this link they talk about this.
Male Hormone Modulation Therapy.. HGH replacement, Testosterone Replacement
Here is a cut and paste on what they say.
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Estrogen (measured as estradiol) should be in the mid- to lower-normal range. If estradiol levels are in the upper one-third of the normal reference range, or above the normal reference range, this excessive level of estrogen should be reduced. Labcorp lists a reference range of between 3-70 picogram/mL for estradiol while Quest states a reference range of between 10-50. For optimal health, estradiol should be in the range of 10-30 picogram/mL for a man of any age.
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I use this link to convert from USA to UK units.
Conventional units to SI units - conversion factors.

Your Total T is high above the top of the range and your free is so so it's hard to get a good test on Free it's calculated.
Bottom line is how you feel with them levels a side from your E2 being to low.

[BBC3]

OK, BBC has lost his oak tree. Like I said, I am new to this stuff. As I mentioned I had recently begun TRT 200mgs/wk and was having awsome wood by week3, and thru week 5. But gone again.. I can still get it up to the smell of some nice stank, but massive morning diamond cutters are gone again. And the few semi spontaneous ones throughout the day /early evening are gone. Not much chance of thumbalina getting him excited again. Seems back to about where I was. I am guessing that estriadol is to blame. I believe this one is referred to as E2?? I will be seeing the TRT doc in a month or less. what should I focus on?? By the way, coincidentally, I lost my ZInc bottle (broke) about the same time the wood has again recessed. I is been a week now, and no return yet. I can get it up for sex, and it may last through it, or go kinda soft toward end. BUT no punishing TEAK as realized in weeks 3-5. I'll definitely report back after zinc supp is replaced (TOMORROW!!). Any thoughts? I know I have plenty of reading to do, so I apologize for ignorance. I'm just a talker...