TRT and Erections

[pmgamer18]

I feel if your not taking anything to keep your Estradiol "E2" down your going to high and Zinc helps some to keep it down.
200 mg. shots every week is way to much what are your labs on this or have you had any. One thing you need to look out for is your blood getting to thick doing this. And your E2 will jump up taking a big shot like this.
If you can do test your Total, Bio, Free T and E2. With a CBC for your blood.
If you can't get Arimidex to treat your E2 if it's to high then try Indolplex/DIM this is sold OTC and works if you get a good brand. I used this brand others told me it works and it does. Take one never 2 pills at dinner time. In about 2 week your night time and morning wood will come back. If it stops stop it your going to low when it comes back go back on it but cut the tablet in half.
PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM

[BBC3]

My first recent experience with AAS (test only) started 1.5 years ago. I actually averaged 350mg/wk including many 600 and 800 mg weeks. My blood work at the end was 1960 ng/dl and my blood cells were normal. It was a regular doc so there were no details run, not even free test. I am getting ready to do the E2 etc... I am wondering. It was recomended to me to use a lab in washington state that wants saliva shipped to them. Is this accurate. I also want to get back on the zinc to see just how effective it is. I believe I was taking a pretty good dose of zinc. NOthing outrageous, as it was still one capsule as sold. JUst seems like it was a lot. I am also wondering.,, does Estradiol just simple keep climbing, or is it related to the excess amount if using more than 50-70mg/wk?? And how about those saliva test related to accuracy.??

[pmgamer18]

I need a higher dose of testosterone I burn it up as fast as I take it. But my labs would show this one on TRT just starting needs to do labs about every 2 to 3 months until they find the levels that are good. E2 is everywhere in are food the plastic we drink water and pop from the meat is pumped full of hormones so the hold water and weigh more.

Saliva tests are not any good for sex hormones.

To help keep my E2 down I do my shots every 3 days 70mgs doing this smaller dose more often keeps my E2 down and my levels up.

I take NOW ZMA for Zinc this works much better then just zinc. Also one needs to take 2mgs. of Copper a day on Zinc because it lowers Copper.

A good starting dose of testosterone is 100mgs a week.

In your case don't drop down on your dose real fast if you find you need to lower it. You can crash your Total and Free T levels should be up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range then you would go by how your feeling. The more T you do the more E2 you can make. I am 64 and over weight this is why I have a problem with high E2.

Younger men more lean still can have a problem on TRT with E2 but not as bad.

Best to do blood labs if you don't have health care and have to pay from labs it costs a lot. What you can do is go to Dr. John's web site and get the 12-month subscription to Life Extension magazine it's Free.

All Things Male - Center for Men's Health
Then go to LEF. for your labs when your order them you can join there club for a lot less money because of the magazine. Then ordering labs are much less money. They will send you to LabCorp or Quest to have blood taken.
Blood Tests: Hormones, Stroke Prevention, Atherosclerosis, Vascular Disease, Hormone Replacement Therapy - Life Extension

When you at Dr. John's web site read TRT: A recipe for success and his HCG update in this are labs you would or might do.

[mane man]

Hi guys,
just wondering what kind of side-effects you could expect if on testosterone replacement, say at 150mg?
Does your own testicles shut down completly? Do you have to wean off if you decide to stop? Could your testicles give up completly?

Thanx..

[BBC3]

Originally Posted by mane man

Hi guys,
just wondering what kind of side-effects you could expect if on testosterone replacement, say at 150mg?
Does your own testicles shut down completly? Do you have to wean off if you decide to stop? Could your testicles give up completly?

Thanx..

A quick reply to this one. I can tell you from experience. They say that any dose over 100 mgs /wk is enought to shut you down. That is, turn off the LH signal from your pituitary which in turn shuts your nuts down and they shrink. The technical reports say that any does 50-70 mgs a week mimics natural test production. My guess would be that this amount would shut you down after about 20 weeks plus or minus... Its just that simple.

With regard to noticing tiny nuts. My first experience with test was about 1.5 years ago. like anyone else, i was expecting special things to happen. You will find they will not. I got more ass in the gym from GNC brand DHEA when it first came out, probably because it is simply designed to survive the liver and last much longer and hits much harder. It was probably comparable to DBOL (i am guessing). The synthetic form of testosterone (cyp or enan) simple will not give you those results. That is why you see the guys in the "steroid" section of this forum doing all these other forms of roids. they are not the same. Test is just a good base.

I can tell you that if you supped 5-600 mgs/wk you will find this. It will take about 8 weeks to feel it physically. By that time you will feel the sperm bags (as I call them), on the back and especially the bottom back of your nuts shrink up. If you notice, before you blow a load now they will get hard as they are excreting the sperm from your nuts into the seminal ejaculation. This definitely ceased proving that the exogenous addition of testosterone does indeed render you infertile. I was amazed to find that my new trt doc did not even seem to know this. Clearly you have to find out for yourself.

You will next find a softening of the testicals followed by a shrinkage of up to 40%. they are shut down now. I have heard others report that they actually will "suck up" and start to pull up next to your body almost as if they want to recess back into the pelvic area. I kinda got this effect when around week 10 and I was still supping 800/wk at this time still in disbelief that I was "juicing". Best way to decribe is acid trip when you think you are screwed over and denying that the trip is kickin your ass. I would say that if you could take 700 mgs/wk for 16 weeks they would suck up pretty close to going in, if you could take it that long. Test has an 8 day half life min, so consider that it is constantly building.

All you need to know is that if you did a test only supplementation for as much as 20 weeks, you could quit and your own body will kick them back in within 5 weeks of quitting. It will be marked by a weekend of nut swelling and pain that is unmistakable, but pleasurable in a sense of finding that all this PCT stuff is BS. You will,at that time, find yourself right back where you were before you started;

Keep in mind that you need to be tested prior to starting in order to benchmark yourself for the sake of being sure in your mind. Also note that my only experience is with test only and no further. For instance, I know that Deca has a 3 month half life and will leave you shut down same. This could mean as much as 6 months after discontinuing this one.

Finally, the only reason you need to supp test is if you are old and low. Otherwise it will do NOTHING for you. DBOL on the other hand, i a, guessing, will make you a monster, if you workout and eat properly. I doubt you could even loose those gains is you tried..... You have to read and measure the cost as related to price you are willing to pay.....

[BBC3]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

I need a higher dose of testosterone I burn it up as fast as I take it. But my labs would show this one on TRT just starting needs to do labs about every 2 to 3 months until they find the levels that are good. E2 is everywhere in are food the plastic we drink water and pop from the meat is pumped full of hormones so the hold water and weigh more.

Saliva tests are not any good for sex hormones.

To help keep my E2 down I do my shots every 3 days 70mgs doing this smaller dose more often keeps my E2 down and my levels up.

I take NOW ZMA for Zinc this works much better then just zinc. Also one needs to take 2mgs. of Copper a day on Zinc because it lowers Copper.

A good starting dose of testosterone is 100mgs a week.

In your case don't drop down on your dose real fast if you find you need to lower it. You can crash your Total and Free T levels should be up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range then you would go by how your feeling. The more T you do the more E2 you can make. I am 64 and over weight this is why I have a problem with high E2.

Younger men more lean still can have a problem on TRT with E2 but not as bad.

Best to do blood labs if you don't have health care and have to pay from labs it costs a lot. What you can do is go to Dr. John's web site and get the 12-month subscription to Life Extension magazine it's Free.

All Things Male - Center for Men's Health
Then go to LEF. for your labs when your order them you can join there club for a lot less money because of the magazine. Then ordering labs are much less money. They will send you to LabCorp or Quest to have blood taken.
Blood Tests: Hormones, Stroke Prevention, Atherosclerosis, Vascular Disease, Hormone Replacement Therapy - Life Extension

When you at Dr. John's web site read TRT: A recipe for success and his HCG update in this are labs you would or might do.

Hi PM GAmer,

As you may or not have read, I recently began this quest when I knew I was low. I found quickly that 250/mg week was All I could handle and still walk the neighborhood without my calves siezing and me falling over. I even enjoyed sensative nips in a wet t-shirt on the racquetball court as an affirmation that "it was working". I have now evolved to the point that I want to perfect myself.

With regard to zinc, I have found that zinc alone works best. I have supped ZM IN THE PAST FOR good sleep and the testosterone increasing efffects, but it did not seem to minimize aromatization while supping.

I posted early on about my 4th week into supping big time about how I shot a load 7 feet during sex. That quickly subsided and I am finding again the same time frame even at 200mg/wk. So i have since discerned that estradiol is the culpret. I am hoping that with my body I can completely eliminate this negative with zinc alone. I will post back on this one as soon as it turns (if it does). I m getting more tomorrow. I just hate the fact that I may have to do more to feep everything in check. Nolva is so harsh. With the "dex" suffix. I cant help but think that arimi in in the same class of drugs;. I dont even know as I have not had to go there yet. the positives always outweighed the negs in the past considering those goals. But now with life ling implications, i am of course considering further. Maybe I should just back it down and I would be perfect. Maybe I just need a cream or pellet to eliminate sugres. I dont know yet. All thoughts still appreciated..... My ins seems to cover everything, but, trt doc doesnt seem to want to go to hsopital for testing except for test and free test. Maybe he flying below the radar. I may need to look elsewhere. I am discouraged to know that the extended male panel he ordered by mail/salvia is not effective, What are your thoughts on that as well??

[mane man]

Cheers for great post BBC!
Am young bloke with low testosterone. Dont have many symptoms though my erections arent very hard, never get morning wood and do take ages and ages to cum.
I do take ZMA, but dont notice a difference. Think i will try something herbal, ie. tiribulus or maca as dont want to be stuck taking TRT.
Would these be of any use, or some thing like HCG be best?

[pmgamer18]

You need to talk to Hardasnails1973 about doing Zinc and the need for Copper with it. He turned me on to ZMA and I feel better and sleep better on it. If your young you can get by keeping E2 in check on Zinc. I was taking a pill 50mgs Zinc with 2 mgs Copper Hard told me you can't take them together. So this is why I went to ZMA. In Dr. Shippens book "The Testosterone Syndrome" he says to start with a higher dose of Zinc for about a month the cut back down to 50mgs. Younger not over weight men can keep E2 in check doing this.
This is the zinc I was taking.
Zinc Copper - 50 mg/2 mg 100 count - Multiple Minerals
I feel the best way to stay leveled when you need a higher dose of testosterone is to try doing the shots 2 x's a week or every 3 days. I stay level and my E2 is much less a problem.

I have a Thyroid Forum and people do saliva tests for Cortisol this I feel is the best way to see how your cortisol levels are doing a day. The test checks this 4x's in a day and with this it checks Testosterone, Estradiol, DHEA and Thyroid. The only test I have found any good is the Cortisol the other tests come back very high for estradiol a man could not live with levels this high. And the Testosterone levels are all ways very low. Yet when they redo them in blood they get a better result.

[wildfox]

Originally Posted by biceps72

i take androgel, 7.5 g/day-- i am 58 but this dose gives me rock hard erections and big ejaculates plus my libido is through the roof. I just realize this sound like bragging BS but it isn't. I never use ED meds ever. If your really healthy and have your testosterone and other blood parameters in order, no more ED, no more or less anxiety/depression. Test osterone really is the fountain of youth!!!!

Biceps, how long have you been on this protocol, where do you apply it, and what is your weight and bodyfat percentage?

Sounds really great.

[wildfox]

Originally Posted by BBC3

by the way, 5th injection into TRT at 200mgs, and I am now having some massive erections!!!!! Last night I was thinking I might like to knock it out. I kinda reached down and touched it a little and before I knew it, I had a blue head throbber that was bulletproof and probably cut diamonds. I mean, I walked from our bedroom to the daughters bedroom where she had gone to put her to sleep and when I sat down next to her it was still standing straight up with a monster swollen head!!! I have not seen this since 17 yr old. I even took 30 mins to massage her into the mood and still on ready, I could not believe it. I actually wondered if I was going to have a priapism. (is that spelled correctly). BUT, I then absolutely rocked her for 30 mins, shot one across the table and went away. Woke up again with same this morn. Went away after 10 mins and urinate. Seemed still normal enough for a 17 year old that is.... Sorry to be so graphic, but I am simple ecstatic about my life right now. The best part is that I have recent started paxil again and having that first 2-3 month sides that I love so much. Delayed ejaculation. The comination of this with the TRT is quit satisfying for all!!! SHould I worry about priapism???? I have heard that 60% of people that get one have permanent damage. And if so, do you think it is because they are delayed past 4 hours to go to the doc for whatever reason, embarassment, ignorance of danger, etc. Or, is it the actual proceedure they use to bring it down that causes the damage?? So much to learn. Thoughts greatly appreciated from all.

Are you just taking T? Any hcg or arimidex or anything else?

[wildfox]

Originally Posted by BBC3

by the way, 5th injection into TRT at 200mgs,...So much to learn. Thoughts greatly appreciated from all.

Are you just taking T? Any hcg or arimidex or anything else?

[BBC3]

Originally Posted by wildfox

Are you just taking T? Any hcg or arimidex or anything else?

I am only taking t. I have taken doeses of HCG from time to time and really like the effects. I just fear that stuff cause it is powerful mojo. I really dont want to get involved with drugs like ARimdex, nolva, etc, as I feel the risks outweigh. I have not totally researched them yet though, so looking for thoughts. I am hoping the zinc wll hold me. I had much better results with zinc alone. You could still take the zinc/mag combo at night. I would just try to get in a does of zinc by itself . for instance, you have to take the ZMA by itself to get the results from that. (sleep, test boost, etc) any thoughts. Adding zinc alone at some time in the day seemed to really give me massive wood in the evenings. Thoughts again please....

[bonangus]

Hi,
I took a week off the arimidex and nothing has changed

Can anyone pls help me using the info I have put forward ?

As I said in an earlier post I am living my life again after 6 years of feeling tired all the time. I feel heaps better being on TRT, its just that I can hardly have proper sex anymore

I know this may sound silly but I also feel as though my dick has shrunk ?????

[pmgamer18]

Give it more time the longer your low the longer it take to come back up. I was very low for 8 week took me about 3 to 4 weeks for levels of Estradiol to come back up testing helps with this.

Originally Posted by bonangus

Hi,
I took a week off the arimidex and nothing has changed

Can anyone pls help me using the info I have put forward ?

As I said in an earlier post I am living my life again after 6 years of feeling tired all the time. I feel heaps better being on TRT, its just that I can hardly have proper sex anymore

I know this may sound silly but I also feel as though my dick has shrunk ?????

[Roms]

Originally Posted by bonangus

Hi,
I took a week off the arimidex and nothing has changed

Can anyone pls help me using the info I have put forward ?

As I said in an earlier post I am living my life again after 6 years of feeling tired all the time. I feel heaps better being on TRT, its just that I can hardly have proper sex anymore

I know this may sound silly but I also feel as though my dick has shrunk ?????

Have you had your DHT tested ?