TRT and Erections

[bonangus]

Hi,
I have been on TRT for 6months now and feel 100 times better. My energy levels are great and I feel like my oldself. Im 36 years old. Problem is my erections are terrible. I take cialis or vagra but still they are nothing like they were before TRT. I was taking those tablets before TRT.
Could you pls tell me what blood tests I need to get done to give us some clues as to what needs to be done ?

Thanks in advance.

[eeso]

u just described my situation to a tee. let me know if u find a solution.

[hardasnails1973]

Examine estrodial levels as well as your e2/testosterone ratio,
If your t and e are in check in relationship to your shbg then look at your adrenals/thyroid, and your proper lifestyle, and nutrition. Sounds to me like yout cortisol is high suppressing NO2 which with out it your dick is dead. Also look it to neurotransmitters imbalaNCE

[bonangus]

Thanks Hardasnails. So I should get checked -
Test
Total Test
E2
TSH
SHBG
DHEA

And what other tests when I get my blood taken will give us some clues ???

[hardasnails1973]

estrodial ultrasenstive essay
ft3
ft4
total t4
total t3
cortisol AM and free
salvia cortisol
progesterone
dhea -s
dht
Bio and free testosterone

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

estrodial ultrasenstive essay
ft3
ft4
total t4
total t3
cortisol AM and free
salvia cortisol
progesterone
dhea -s
dht
Bio and free testosterone

What are you going to advice if progesterone is low?

[bonangus]

TRT programe is 100mg Test Enanthate, HCG 250 IU on days 5 and 6, and 1/4 of an Arimidex tablet every 3 days.

Ive just had blood tests done today so will post my results in a few days when I get the results.

Its a bit frustrating because other than the erection problems I feel the best I have felt in 6 years. Im soooo much more upbeat and positive and sleep soooo much better than I did when my T was low.

[biceps72]

i take androgel, 7.5 g/day-- i am 58 but this dose gives me rock hard erections and big ejaculates plus my libido is through the roof. I just realize this sound like bragging BS but it isn't. I never use ED meds ever. If your really healthy and have your testosterone and other blood parameters in order, no more ED, no more or less anxiety/depression. Test osterone really is the fountain of youth!!!!

[eeso]

Just got my estro back on track (got lazy for a while) and things are much better now. Taking 0.1mg per day is about what i need from experimenting.

HCG really complicates things though so I'm not going to use it weekly anymore I don't think. I find I don't need to anyway, once i use even small doses it keeps my nuts good for quite a while!

[BBC3]

Read " The Testosterone Syndrome". This guy says that for TRT, injectable testosterone is the worst alternative when considered versus patch, creams, pellets, and juice. He states this is due to the fact that the injetable is so erratic considering from the pin, to the half life burn. I know it seems bullshit to me to. HOWEVER, I have only used cyp injectible, and I can say that it definitely gets the motor running mentally, and it is "up and down" considering psycologically. The first 2 weeks i pinned a heavy cycle, I shot a load across the room!! But then only downhill from there at a 500mg dose. Prostate just seemed to dry up. and acted kinda weird. I am now on TRT and I can say that after 4 weeks I have returned to rock hards and pretty good shootin. However, still somewhat up and down it seems. Max dose for right now is 200mg week and works much better for good sexual function. But you have to wonder has he got something. Cause if you think about it, your body is having to deal with an ester attached to testosterone to extend its life in the blood / curculatory system, and up and down as it is burned. Even pellets have to be easier on your system as they are not "working it over" it to survive. They are simply implanted in your ass to dissolve over time. They may very well have some sort of glue type bond on them to slow the breakdown, but they probably dont have chemical ester attached to survive the liver, as it is simply dispersed daily from your buttock. Same as putting on cream i guess. Someone tell me if I am on the right track. I just about talked myself into trying cream Liver values were elevated slightly in last test. I always just kinda assumed that injectable totally safe as not an oral. But now thinking about it. It must be wearing on liver to last in the blood for 8 day half life. Anyone????

[eeso]

Originally Posted by BBC3

Read " The Testosterone Syndrome". This guy says that for TRT, injectable testosterone is the worst alternative when considered versus patch, creams, pellets, and juice. He states this is due to the fact that the injetable is so erratic considering from the pin, to the half life burn. I know it seems bullshit to me to. HOWEVER, I have only used cyp injectible, and I can say that it definitely gets the motor running mentally, and it is "up and down" considering psycologically. The first 2 weeks i pinned a heavy cycle, I shot a load across the room!! But then only downhill from there at a 500mg dose. Prostate just seemed to dry up. and acted kinda weird. I am now on TRT and I can say that after 4 weeks I have returned to rock hards and pretty good shootin. However, still somewhat up and down it seems. Max dose for right now is 200mg week and works much better for good sexual function. But you have to wonder has he got something. Cause if you think about it, your body is having to deal with an ester attached to testosterone to extend its life in the blood / curculatory system, and up and down as it is burned. Even pellets have to be easier on your system as they are not "working it over" it to survive. They are simply implanted in your ass to dissolve over time. They may very well have some sort of glue type bond on them to slow the breakdown, but they probably dont have chemical ester attached to survive the liver, as it is simply dispersed daily from your buttock. Same as putting on cream i guess. Someone tell me if I am on the right track. I just about talked myself into trying cream Liver values were elevated slightly in last test. I always just kinda assumed that injectable totally safe as not an oral. But now thinking about it. It must be wearing on liver to last in the blood for 8 day half life. Anyone????

I've only tried enanthate and cream, but i find cream to be 100x better for me. I use lipsomal test cream 5%.

I think everyones different though.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by BBC3

Read " The Testosterone Syndrome". This guy says that for TRT, injectable testosterone is the worst alternative when considered versus patch, creams, pellets, and juice. He states this is due to the fact that the injetable is so erratic considering from the pin, to the half life burn. I know it seems bullshit to me to. HOWEVER, I have only used cyp injectible, and I can say that it definitely gets the motor running mentally, and it is "up and down" considering psycologically. The first 2 weeks i pinned a heavy cycle, I shot a load across the room!! But then only downhill from there at a 500mg dose. Prostate just seemed to dry up. and acted kinda weird. I am now on TRT and I can say that after 4 weeks I have returned to rock hards and pretty good shootin. However, still somewhat up and down it seems. Max dose for right now is 200mg week and works much better for good sexual function. But you have to wonder has he got something. Cause if you think about it, your body is having to deal with an ester attached to testosterone to extend its life in the blood / curculatory system, and up and down as it is burned. Even pellets have to be easier on your system as they are not "working it over" it to survive. They are simply implanted in your ass to dissolve over time. They may very well have some sort of glue type bond on them to slow the breakdown, but they probably dont have chemical ester attached to survive the liver, as it is simply dispersed daily from your buttock. Same as putting on cream i guess. Someone tell me if I am on the right track. I just about talked myself into trying cream Liver values were elevated slightly in last test. I always just kinda assumed that injectable totally safe as not an oral. But now thinking about it. It must be wearing on liver to last in the blood for 8 day half life. Anyone????

200mg/week may be only slightly too much or just about right, but............
Increase frequency of shots, I do E2D, but even 2x/week is already big progress.

What is that your blood show.
If DHT is at about top level or only slightly higher, you want to be on shots.
If DHT is low, use transdermals.
Keep track of your E2, when T and DHT are in check then E2 have the biggest influence on your penis.

T & DHT are easy to control, just stay on good steady, frequent routine.
E2 is a bi*tch to keep in check.
.
.

[BBC3]

Originally Posted by JanSz

200mg/week may be only slightly too much or just about right, but............
Increase frequency of shots, I do E2D, but even 2x/week is already big progress.

What is that your blood show.
If DHT is at about top level or only slightly higher, you want to be on shots.
If DHT is low, use transdermals.
Keep track of your E2, when T and DHT are in check then E2 have the biggest influence on your penis.

T & DHT are easy to control, just stay on good steady, frequent routine.
E2 is a bi*tch to keep in check.
.
.

Not sure what you mean by blood show?? I did not think I was harping, but, I have been kinda obsessive lately..... No offense taken either way with me. Life can be ugly enough, so humor does it for me!!!! I am curious as I have suddenly found myself moving from a quick start into AAS, to HRT/TRT. A friend of mine was telling me that I was too compulsive and that I would be "hooked" on testosterone forever, as I was sure not to be able to quit becase of the psycological good feelings associated. Even back then I quickly realized on about his third time warning me before I started, that the main reason I was doing it was to replace something my body was missing, and I was thinking it was testosterone. I then told him it did not matter if I was "hooked" because I was not planning to go on feeling miserable like that anyway. 1.5-2 years later, I am finding out how right I was. I am an "all or nothing" type personality. The guys over in the steroid section all seemed to make fun of HRT guys. The more of them I have met, even in person, I am finding that they all are doing HRT, in that, the serious ones, the ones that really work out seriously, are in fact on cycle all the time. The never stop, they either ramp up for a while, and then continue on HRT in some form or another. Anyone in between is the real pretender!!! I have no problems with anyone who takes it to the max in order to do what they love, which is work out. The ones that can actually cycle down completely, even for a few months after what the call PCT (which is really HRT anyway), are pretending or in denial. They will be "on" forever eventually. They are just in denial of the fact that they are getting old and things aren't working the same. To be in acceptance of the fact that we are aging, and realize that we ARE living in "Roman Times". It best route. Test replacement causes almost no shut down to a healthy male. I went steady for 9 months averaging 350 mg /wk, then discontinued, and was right back where I started in 5 weeks flat!!! I FELT LIKE SH!T before I started this. I cant tell enough people how lucky I feel to have stumbled into this. ENOUGH!!! I just cant shut up lately as I am into my 5th week of 200mg TRT and feeling better then I have since I was 17!! The fact is, I almost missed the whole point in that, When I started my first cycle i felt great for 2-3 weeks. I was loading at 500, 600, 600, and 800 mg doses. On week two or three, I had the best sex I have ever had. Then it all disappeared as i had blown past the point of diminishing returns. But I have stuck with this stuff. Thanks to this website also having a TRT section, it finally go into my head how important proper supplementation is. Now, I am not saying that I wont ever ramp it up again for a short period in order to gain some muscle, but I have a feeling that after another year or two I will realize that defeats the whole purpose. Life is about feeling good. Muscles are temporary and for people that can afford the time and have the desire, for whatever reason. I have a lot to learn. Now for the reason I responded.

Question, I have seen people stating that the estrogen is the problem (as you have again), and that the test and DHT are pretty controllable. Can You elaborate?? I did notice on my first 8-9 month venture into testosterone that as time progressed I seemed to get more side effects regardless of the dose.?!!?!? Meaning by the 4th month I had a slight nipple sensativity. It was not related to the dose as I would jockey up and down. Sometimes I would just do 250mg for acouple of weeks straight. Then I might even wait 10 days and pin 5,6, or 700mgs. Then maybe 150 in 7-10 more days. I was on so long that I seemed to loose interest in the "juice" side of it, and just knew that I needed it based on what my body was telling me. I find that interesting in retrospect. THe point is as time progressed, nipple sensativity was beginning to be an issue. Nothing ever pressing. Just sensative. I remember telling my wife "that now I knew what she mean about her breasts being sore". Because that time of the month, I could not be so playful with her, as she would complain. Of course, I never listened and continued to "grab those titties", and she got angrier. Apologies were in order. Once mine really stung like a bitch!!! so to speak. But never any swelling or growth apparent. I did not take any crude pharms like nolva, nor did I supplement Clomid. It just never got out of control. So I am assuming that even at 200mg/week steady, i will eventually end up with this issue again. I am planning to supplement zinc this time as I have learned it may help stop aromatization. So you thoughts and further elaboration on the estrogen conversion in relation to my thoughts here would be greatly appreciated..!!! Sorry so long...

[BBC3]

by the way, 5th injection into TRT at 200mgs, and I am now having some massive erections!!!!! Last night I was thinking I might like to knock it out. I kinda reached down and touched it a little and before I knew it, I had a blue head throbber that was bulletproof and probably cut diamonds. I mean, I walked from our bedroom to the daughters bedroom where she had gone to put her to sleep and when I sat down next to her it was still standing straight up with a monster swollen head!!! I have not seen this since 17 yr old. I even took 30 mins to massage her into the mood and still on ready, I could not believe it. I actually wondered if I was going to have a priapism. (is that spelled correctly). BUT, I then absolutely rocked her for 30 mins, shot one across the table and went away. Woke up again with same this morn. Went away after 10 mins and urinate. Seemed still normal enough for a 17 year old that is.... Sorry to be so graphic, but I am simple ecstatic about my life right now. The best part is that I have recent started paxil again and having that first 2-3 month sides that I love so much. Delayed ejaculation. The comination of this with the TRT is quit satisfying for all!!! SHould I worry about priapism???? I have heard that 60% of people that get one have permanent damage. And if so, do you think it is because they are delayed past 4 hours to go to the doc for whatever reason, embarassment, ignorance of danger, etc. Or, is it the actual proceedure they use to bring it down that causes the damage?? So much to learn. Thoughts greatly appreciated from all.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by BBC3

by the way, 5th injection into TRT at 200mgs, and I am now having some massive erections!!!!! Last night I was thinking I might like to knock it out. I kinda reached down and touched it a little and before I knew it, I had a blue head throbber that was bulletproof and probably cut diamonds. I mean, I walked from our bedroom to the daughters bedroom where she had gone to put her to sleep and when I sat down next to her it was still standing straight up with a monster swollen head!!! I have not seen this since 17 yr old. I even took 30 mins to massage her into the mood and still on ready, I could not believe it. I actually wondered if I was going to have a priapism. (is that spelled correctly). BUT, I then absolutely rocked her for 30 mins, shot one across the table and went away. Woke up again with same this morn. Went away after 10 mins and urinate. Seemed still normal enough for a 17 year old that is.... Sorry to be so graphic, but I am simple ecstatic about my life right now. The best part is that I have recent started paxil again and having that first 2-3 month sides that I love so much. Delayed ejaculation. The comination of this with the TRT is quit satisfying for all!!! SHould I worry about priapism???? I have heard that 60% of people that get one have permanent damage. And if so, do you think it is because they are delayed past 4 hours to go to the doc for whatever reason, embarassment, ignorance of danger, etc. Or, is it the actual proceedure they use to bring it down that causes the damage?? So much to learn. Thoughts greatly appreciated from all.

You may want to browse thru a sticky that I started,
also browse thru my thread here, there is 4 pages.
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007 - Page 2

TRT is not cycled, it is permanent steady state for life
200mg is only slightly too much, more than that, long term may not be best choice.
Your actual goal with tetosterone is to have best resonable BioAvailable testosterone (BAT~575)

Start adding too much testosterone and you are asking for more than usual difficulties in keeping E2 estrodial at the sweet spot.
Right now you are at the sweet spot with your estrodial, if you can, get script for
Quest Diagnostics
Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS (30289X)
this will be your reference point for future.

Be carefull with erections lasting hours, you have only one penis, masturbate if wife is not available.

When I was mentioning blood test, that is for a purpose of monitoring your response.
When on TRT we go by blood testing.

Life is so much brighter when whopper is whooping.
Glad that you can make your wife happy.
.

[Drea'An]

Originally Posted by bonangus

Hi,
I have been on TRT for 6months now and feel 100 times better. My energy levels are great and I feel like my oldself. Im 36 years old. Problem is my erections are terrible. I take cialis or vagra but still they are nothing like they were before TRT. I was taking those tablets before TRT.
Could you pls tell me what blood tests I need to get done to give us some clues as to what needs to be done ?

Thanks in advance.

As long as I'm not red in the face, prostate isn't hurting, eyes aren't yellow, liver isn't aching, I'm all right. BTW, What's a blood test? LOL

[biceps72]

Originally Posted by BBC3

by the way, 5th injection into TRT at 200mgs, and I am now having some massive erections!!!!! Last night I was thinking I might like to knock it out. I kinda reached down and touched it a little and before I knew it, I had a blue head throbber that was bulletproof and probably cut diamonds. I mean, I walked from our bedroom to the daughters bedroom where she had gone to put her to sleep and when I sat down next to her it was still standing straight up with a monster swollen head!!! I have not seen this since 17 yr old. I even took 30 mins to massage her into the mood and still on ready, I could not believe it. I actually wondered if I was going to have a priapism. (is that spelled correctly). BUT, I then absolutely rocked her for 30 mins, shot one across the table and went away. Woke up again with same this morn. Went away after 10 mins and urinate. Seemed still normal enough for a 17 year old that is.... Sorry to be so graphic, but I am simple ecstatic about my life right now. The best part is that I have recent started paxil again and having that first 2-3 month sides that I love so much. Delayed ejaculation. The comination of this with the TRT is quit satisfying for all!!! SHould I worry about priapism???? I have heard that 60% of people that get one have permanent damage. And if so, do you think it is because they are delayed past 4 hours to go to the doc for whatever reason, embarassment, ignorance of danger, etc. Or, is it the actual proceedure they use to bring it down that causes the damage?? So much to learn. Thoughts greatly appreciated from all.

your less than 40 correct??? don't worry about having too hard a hardon or a hardon too long as long as you can get off within a reasonable length of time-- getting too hard can make it almoat impossible to blow a load. . Your not taking viagra, cialis or Levitra are you??

[benrock]

bonangus do me a favor and stop the arimadex for 7 days and let us know how the erections are ?

if that dont work check prolactin , i went to vit shop and got an herb called vitex and within 24 hrs i was harder then when i took a viagra , also 400 mg of b6 with multi vit , fishoil , arginine for blood flow .

get

test
free test
estrodiol
total estrogens
cbc
cmp
prolactin
dht


should give you some clues , if not could be mental test seems to give some performance anxiety

[BBC3]

Originally Posted by biceps72

your less than 40 correct??? don't worry about having too hard a hardon or a hardon too long as long as you can get off within a reasonable length of time-- getting too hard can make it almoat impossible to blow a load. . Your not taking viagra, cialis or Levitra are you??

No. I am 37 and as far as I am concerned that is "pandora's Box", and I AM AFRAID TO OPEN IT. I always thought that if I did, I may not get the same erections without it. OR I would be so happy with the wood that I would have to use all the time. Looking back, before I started Testosterone supplementation almost 2 years ago, my sex life was starting to really lack. I was in denial. Married for 3 years at the time and financial problems were more difficult to deal with and communication was just not as good with wife, so I was happy to get what I could, much les worry bout my cock. PLUS I am an adderall and nicotine user, so I was assuming that I just needed to cut back on those to solve the problem. Sex was not more than once every ten days, actually never, cause we were in high risk pregnancies for 3 years!!!! So was not worth backing of stimulants to find out if related. I assumed so because I have always been and remain athletic,(racquetball, gym, etc). I just did not think I had a problem.. And yes you are right about hard wood. I did not even have sex till age 19, so in retrospect, I really never even go t to test him in real action when he was at his best... The blue headed type hard wood really does last longer, and man does it satisfy!!. Normally, if I wanted to pop her repeatedly with a big head, I had to flex the prostate to "blow it up" so to speak, and of course you know that just leads to an early nut.... By the way, I hope I am not offending anyone, and yes, I am this comfortable discussing these issues in person as well. Life is too short, and we are all basically the same. There is no reason to be embarrassed once you remember EVERYONE is basically doing the same stuff..........