TRT Plus?

[Willje]

I'm a 52 yr. old male,currently receiving T Cup shots every 2 weeks for low T.I'm a long time weight trainer,though haven't lifted consistently in years.I'd like to start again now that I have the T thing sorted out hopefully.I have never used AAS.
Is there ever a TRT protocal which uses an AAS that has a more pronounced anabolic effect than androgenic?Correct me if I'm wrong,but it seems the T Cyp would be a certain percentage anabolic and a certain percentage androgenic.Would there be another combination which would give me the androgenic therapy I need,and give an extra boost to the anabolic?I wouldn't think about it save for the fact that I'm taking the Cyp anyway.There would be no PCT as I'm on this regimen full time.Anyway,this question occurred to me,and thought I might get some feedback here.

[Krembles]

Originally Posted by Willje

I'm a 52 yr. old male,currently receiving T Cup shots every 2 weeks for low T.I'm a long time weight trainer,though haven't lifted consistently in years.I'd like to start again now that I have the T thing sorted out hopefully.I have never used AAS.
Is there ever a TRT protocal which uses an AAS that has a more pronounced anabolic effect than androgenic?Correct me if I'm wrong,but it seems the T Cyp would be a certain percentage anabolic and a certain percentage androgenic.Would there be another combination which would give me the androgenic therapy I need,and give an extra boost to the anabolic?I wouldn't think about it save for the fact that I'm taking the Cyp anyway.There would be no PCT as I'm on this regimen full time.Anyway,this question occurred to me,and thought I might get some feedback here.

Welcome to the board! I'm 55 and have been on TRT for a couple of years. First, it's
best to get shots every week. It is completly out of your system in 16 days. So you
need to even things out. You are right about the lack of an anabolic effect. It will
take test about a month to kick in. You might want to add a (smaller amout ) of Deca.
And or Anvar. You don't need to take large amounts. I just take a little of each. Just
keep your blood work up to date and work off that. When you taper of aas like Deca
do it first because it zaps the test out of your system. My endo keeps wondering why
she has to keep giving me larger doses fo test. 25 mg of Anvar am & pm will give
you a pump you wont believe after about 4 or 5 days. It is out of your system fast.
Some of these things can cause high blood pressure. You sound like you been around
and hope you are aware of AI's. blood pressure meds., statins like Vytorin.
I started out slow and with Saizen (GH) I stopped everything after tapering down. Endo's
don't like that cause they loose business. But my point is my natty (natural test levels
doubled from 300 to 600 and the blood was drawn 3 months after last shot. You
really can grow young. I know I'm old but hit the treadmill for an hour each day
and lift dumb bells while on it.

Main thing just take things slow don't over do any thing . Feel free to PM me any time.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by Willje

I'm a 52 yr. old male,currently receiving T Cup shots every 2 weeks for low T.I'm a long time weight trainer,though haven't lifted consistently in years.I'd like to start again now that I have the T thing sorted out hopefully.I have never used AAS.
Is there ever a TRT protocal which uses an AAS that has a more pronounced anabolic effect than androgenic?Correct me if I'm wrong,but it seems the T Cyp would be a certain percentage anabolic and a certain percentage androgenic.Would there be another combination which would give me the androgenic therapy I need,and give an extra boost to the anabolic?I wouldn't think about it save for the fact that I'm taking the Cyp anyway.There would be no PCT as I'm on this regimen full time.Anyway,this question occurred to me,and thought I might get some feedback here.

I am 63 been on TRT 23 yrs and I feel you don't need to add that shit to your TRT all you need is a good TRT. So shots every week or if this does not level you off so you feel better do them every 3 days. Add some HCG to the mix to help keep you leveled and you will feel good and strong. Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG update last yr. I stopped gels and went on this and added HCG my Testis were very small at the time from being on TRT so long. HCG doubled my levels and my testis came back to the size they were when I was 20. I was house bound for yrs. in a lot of joint and muscle pain going to shots and HCG my pain was going I was out walking everyday 45 min.'s and going to the gym working out 3 days a week on 21 different machines at the old persons center we have in my town. I made big gains and lost over 65 lbs.

But you do need to be sure your checked out dam good health wise. That winter I got dam sick with Bronchitis and this has been a problem for me every winter. Turns out I have Adrenal Fatigue and a bad Thyroid so last winter set me back bad If I knew this before hand and got it treated I would still be working out and waking.

[Cynical Simian]

The goal of TRT is simply (as the name implies) to replace the testosterone that your body isn't producing with synthetic, bio-identical testosterone. If you want to do a cycle, go for it, but call it what it is rather than trying to pass it off as TRT.

[Krembles]

Originally Posted by Cynical Simian

The goal of TRT is simply (as the name implies) to replace the testosterone that your body isn't producing with synthetic, bio-identical testosterone. If you want to do a cycle, go for it, but call it what it is rather than trying to pass it off as TRT.

We all start out with that line of thinking. However, after a year on Saizen GH and taking
care of your body with proper diet and exercise. Your mind set chnges. I have increase
my natural test production from 300 to 600. I want a young body and I'm getting it.
So do your thing and I'll do mine. Some day you will understand.

[Cynical Simian]

Congratulations on completely missing the point of my post.

[musclepigg]

I agree with Cynical Simian

TRT is for restoring physiological levels of hormones.
Taking exogenous substances for a supraphysiological effect is a different practice.

That said, my answer to Willje is that to get more anabolic effects on top of your doctor-prescribed TRT, lift heavy weights, and lift them many times. Eat big too.

[bigjimcalhoun]

I think that the author of this post, by titling it "TRT Plus" was implying what could be added to spice up the normal TRT a little.

I wouldn't consider adding 50 mg of Anavar a day to be a cycle. Based on reading some of the sample cycles passed around, they are usually anywhere from 1200 mg to 2500mg of various injections a week, not including orals.

Anavar has been shown to lower SHBG. The doc is on PubMed and is specific to young boys on Growth Hormone. I do not know about any long term effects from using it, but I know of one popular writer who is on HRT from an anti-aging group and he is getting his test with 25 mg Anavar. On another forum, a few of the members are getting some deca, a little, but some. One is getting it due to some blood issue he has, not sure why the other is. I know Deca is not something the body is missing, but neither is Arimidex, but many here take that too.

Just my two cents.
Jim

[Krembles]

Originally Posted by bigjimcalhoun

I think that the author of this post, by titling it "TRT Plus" was implying what could be added to spice up the normal TRT a little.

I wouldn't consider adding 50 mg of Anavar a day to be a cycle. Based on reading some of the sample cycles passed around, they are usually anywhere from 1200 mg to 2500mg of various injections a week, not including orals.

Anavar has been shown to lower SHBG. The doc is on PubMed and is specific to young boys on Growth Hormone. I do not know about any long term effects from using it, but I know of one popular writer who is on HRT from an anti-aging group and he is getting his test with 25 mg Anavar. On another forum, a few of the members are getting some deca, a little, but some. One is getting it due to some blood issue he has, not sure why the other is. I know Deca is not something the body is missing, but neither is Arimidex, but many here take that too.

Just my two cents.
Jim

Thanks for gettintg the thread back on track. This is Willije's thread and was rudly hijacked
by some one on a soap box. Anvar is an excellent combo with test. Easy to get off of
and the best oral in regards to the liver.

[comradebillyboy]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

I am 63 been on TRT 23 yrs and I feel you don't need to add that shit to your TRT all you need is a good TRT. So shots every week or if this does not level you off so you feel better do them every 3 days. Add some HCG to the mix to help keep you leveled and you will feel good and strong. Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG update last yr. I stopped gels and went on this and added HCG my Testis were very small at the time from being on TRT so long. HCG doubled my levels and my testis came back to the size they were when I was 20. I was house bound for yrs. in a lot of joint and muscle pain going to shots and HCG my pain was going I was out walking everyday 45 min.'s and going to the gym working out 3 days a week on 21 different machines at the old persons center we have in my town. I made big gains and lost over 65 lbs.

But you do need to be sure your checked out dam good health wise. That winter I got dam sick with Bronchitis and this has been a problem for me every winter. Turns out I have Adrenal Fatigue and a bad Thyroid so last winter set me back bad If I knew this before hand and got it treated I would still be working out and waking.

How much HCG and how often? I am 59 and have been on for 5 months now.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by comradebillyboy

How much HCG and how often? I am 59 and have been on for 5 months now.

When I started on HCG I was doing 150 mgs of Depo T shots every week my Dr. added HCG 500 IU's 3 x's a week. After the 15th shot we tested and my test levels doubled so my testis were making a lot of testosterone today Ido 50mgs of Depo T shots every 3 days and the 2 days each in between I do 250 IU's of HCG. I do both shots using a 27g 1ml x 1/2" lg. needle.

[drimmdave]

My Dr. just prescribed some Deca,low dose to help me with a shoulder problem i have been having.I will be running a ten week cycle to try to help clear it up. .75cc Deca and .75cc Test Cyp.
After just a few days I am starting to feel a little relief. As far as not needing any PCT,we still know that we have to be wachful of sides,low E,Gyno,etc.this comes from any Hormone replacement.

Dave

[Willje]

Thanks for all the interesting points of view.This question occurred to me as the result of reading an article some years ago,long before I started TRT.The author expressed some concern over the then increasing popularity of TRT.His argument was that many of the common steroids were developed to be safer versions of testosterone,but would not be used because of the public and legal bias against AAS.This may be an outmoded,discredited point of view,or plain BS from the get go.But since I'm artificially boosting my T levels to a high normal level anyway(which is higher than they would be naturally if I remained untreated),I was wondering if there was a mild "tweak" I could make without growing a third eye,or something..I didn't consider it a "cycle" per se,since restarting my own production is not an issue...perhaps I'm deluding myself.Not willing to compromise my health at this stage of the game for a half inch of bicep(unless it proved to be enough to lure Anjolina Jolie away from that other guy!).

[Krembles]

Originally Posted by Willje

Thanks for all the interesting points of view.This question occurred to me as the result of reading an article some years ago,long before I started TRT.The author expressed some concern over the then increasing popularity of TRT.His argument was that many of the common steroids were developed to be safer versions of testosterone,but would not be used because of the public and legal bias against AAS.This may be an outmoded,discredited point of view,or plain BS from the get go.But since I'm artificially boosting my T levels to a high normal level anyway(which is higher than they would be naturally if I remained untreated),I was wondering if there was a mild "tweak" I could make without growing a third eye,or something..I didn't consider it a "cycle" per se,since restarting my own production is not an issue...perhaps I'm deluding myself.Not willing to compromise my health at this stage of the game for a half inch of bicep(unless it proved to be enough to lure Anjolina Jolie away from that other guy!).

Any problems you may face will show up in your blood work. If you don't have insurance
it's gonna be a bummer. The main threat is prostate, or liver. blood pressure, cholesterol.
You keep you blood in order, I mean every 2 months until you get a feel for what is going
on and you can live a much better life. Listen to your self and Doc find out what works. There
are numberous thread parrots that don't post from personal experience. Good Luck

[Cynical Simian]

You continue to miss the extremely simple point of my post, but whatever...

Willje, a lot of guys on TRT just alternate AAS cycles (I'm using "cycle" to denote manipulation of hormones to a state that would not naturally occur - this could include adding more anabolic compounds while staying in the normal range of total T or a dose that gives supraphysiological T levels) and their TRT. Basically, the only difference is that (obviously) you don't do PCT.