Are we too inbred due to lack of exposure?

[Yowzer]

Before anyone flames me for this, please listen to what I have to say. I'm sort of being the devil's advocate.
I was on T for months before I stumbled across this site indirectly. The problem is that we don't come up when I Google HRT or TRT or discussion groups or the other things I tried initially.

I have learned a tremendous amount from this site that my "anti-aging clinic" either didn't know or didn't tell me. It is a great resource with lots of knowledgeable dedicated people. But because we are so hard to find, I think we are missing out on a lot of great input and risk our thinking becoming too inbred. Someone here once asked what about all the people who must go to the numerous anti-aging clinics and doctors? It seems everyone here knows about Chrisler, Maraciano and maybe another. But there must be hundreds out there and their patients aren't finding us. Given the evolving nature of HRT and TRT, it would be nice to know what what others doctors are doing. It is also a little surprising that so few endocrinologists seem to support TRT (or at least we don't hear of any good ones here except Maraciaono). They are the people who should know more about TRT and the adrenal fatigue which is mentioned so frequently on this board but is not a generally recognized condition in its milder forms.
Is there any way to increase our relevance to Google since they don't presently seem to offer good search results in this area?

[The_Skeptic]

It's easy to find us on google. All you have to do is google the words "steroids", "body building" or simply "AAS"

[Yowzer]

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That's the problem! We may be easy to find for bodybuilders but not for the people on HRT or TRT which is where we might expect to get more info on endos and other doctors in the life extension field. I never would have thought to Google those words and apparantly not too many others do as well. No wonder a disproportionate number of the people on this board doing TRT have previously been doing heavy cycles for bodybuilding. They already knew where to find this topic.

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by Yowzer

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That's the problem! We may be easy to find for bodybuilders but not for the people on HRT or TRT which is where we might expect to get more info on endos and other doctors in the life extension field. I never would have thought to Google those words and apparantly not too many others do as well. No wonder a disproportionate number of the people now doing TRT has previously been doing heavy cycles for bodybuilding. They already knew this was here.

I was actually being sarcastic. I've never done testosterone or any other steroids for body building purposes.

I happen to come across this site a couple of years ago after conducting intense online research on hypogonadism. At that point, I had been on TRT for ten years. The site has been like a godsend ever since.

I do believe it should be marketed better because before I found this, I thought I was the only person in the world with this condition. I'm sure there are more out there besides us.

I would like to see the people behind this site and the ones behind the Yahoo site and the anti-aging site on anabolicminds.com put their resources together to create a single site that can be found easy on google.

[zkt]

The admin would need to change the metatags to reflect HRT rather than steroids.

[cpeil2]

Originally Posted by zkt

The admin would need to change the metatags to reflect HRT rather than steroids.

You don't EVEN want to go there. Long time ago, when SWALE (Dr. Crisler) moderated this forum, forum scope was strictly limited to HRT and related issues. Mention of AAS was not even permitted.


AAS users complained that they were being discriminated against and that forum scope should be broadened to included AAS-induced hypogonadism and related issues.

After much controversy, during which time Dr. C resigned as moderator, the board administrator decided to broaden the scope. Longtime contributors who disagreed with the change either voluntarily left or were banned.

But on a bulletin board time scale, this is all ancient history.

[zkt]

Not to mention that there woulfnt be any money init

[pmgamer18]

This Idea would be great and I think Dr. John would be up for something like this. Right now he is not at anabolicminds.com any more.

I tell people all the time to come here and just pay no mind about the Steroid Title. It for most will take about 3 trys to get them here. But once they start reading this site they are members.

The big problem is the work steroids and if there was a way to get here on a search without the words steroids we would be loaded with members.

I was Moding at STTM for Men's Thyroid most of the men that came there had low Testosterone levels and if you did a search the Men's Thyroid fourm came up for low T and we were getting men there for low Testosterone problems and I had a hard time getting them to come here to read.

[cpeil2]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

This Idea would be great and I think Dr. John would be up for something like this. Right now he is not at anabolicminds.com any more.

I tell people all the time to come here and just pay no mind about the Steroid Title. It for most will take about 3 trys to get them here. But once they start reading this site they are members.

The big problem is the work steroids and if there was a way to get here on a search without the words steroids we would be loaded with members.

I was Moding at STTM for Men's Thyroid most of the men that came there had low Testosterone levels and if you did a search the Men's Thyroid fourm came up for low T and we were getting men there for low Testosterone problems and I had a hard time getting them to come here to read.

Phil;

You are right. "Steroids" is the problem, and it is the reason that any association by Dr. John with a forum that permits discussion of AAS has to end with him leaving. No matter what the original intent is at the start of the relationship, what always ends up happening is that he gets uncomfortable with the close association to AAS.

He needs a venue where there is no possibility of that happening. I don't see any way of that happening unless he creates the venue himself, so that he has total control of the scope and content.

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by cpeil2

Phil;

You are right. "Steroids" is the problem, and it is the reason that any association by Dr. John with a forum that permits discussion of AAS has to end with him leaving. No matter what the original intent is at the start of the relationship, what always ends up happening is that he gets uncomfortable with the close association to AAS.

He needs a venue where there is no possibility of that happening. I don't see any way of that happening unless he creates the venue himself, so that he has total control of the scope and content.

I don't see how we can have a forum on hypogonadism without including AAS users because so many of them end up with hypogonadism after their cycles.

I remember the debates over the AAS users and it seems that most of the arguments centered around how they ended up with hypogonadism after using steroids while the rest of us ended up this way in a manner that was not self-induced.

Regardless of how we ended up with hypogonadism, we are all in the same boat. Maybe they did not make the best decisions regarding their health, but who is anybody to preach?

To me, the debates distracted from the real issue at hand and we ended up losing quality people over it.

[pmgamer18]

Men posting with low T that did AAS is not the problem it's the guys doing them coming to the fourm and telling others to do things like shots of T 500 mgs a week and talking about how great they are. The guys sick have even talked about what they did that got them sick and Dr. John was OK with this. What broke the fourm up and causing Dr. John to leave was a Sponsore posting about there Products on his site. He asked the guy not to post and deleted them. Only to have this Sponsore do to the Mod's and complain about there posts beening deleted. They then got on Dr. John for this and when he started he was told the fourm would be run with no addvertising or talk about steroid using. So he quit.

Originally Posted by The_Skeptic

I don't see how we can have a forum on hypogonadism without including AAS users because so many of them end up with hypogonadism after their cycles.

I remember the debates over the AAS users and it seems that most of the arguments centered around how they ended up with hypogonadism after using steroids while the rest of us ended up this way in a manner that was not self-induced.

Regardless of how we ended up with hypogonadism, we are all in the same boat. Maybe they did not make the best decisions regarding their health, but who is anybody to preach?

To me, the debates distracted from the real issue at hand and we ended up losing quality people over it.

[cpeil2]

Originally Posted by The_Skeptic

I don't see how we can have a forum on hypogonadism without including AAS users because so many of them end up with hypogonadism after their cycles.

I remember the debates over the AAS users and it seems that most of the arguments centered around how they ended up with hypogonadism after using steroids while the rest of us ended up this way in a manner that was not self-induced.

Regardless of how we ended up with hypogonadism, we are all in the same boat. Maybe they did not make the best decisions regarding their health, but who is anybody to preach?

To me, the debates distracted from the real issue at hand and we ended up losing quality people over it.

Agreed.

When I said that "steroids" was the problem, I meant that "steroids" was the problem that makes it impossible for Dr. Crisler to be an active participant on a board like this, or perhaps any doc. In addition to the fact that there is no money in it, I think they would be afraid of inviting scrutiny from the their state licensing boards and DEA.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

Men posting with low T that did AAS is not the problem it's the guys doing them coming to the fourm and telling others to do things like shots of T 500 mgs a week and talking about how great they are. The guys sick have even talked about what they did that got them sick and Dr. John was OK with this. What broke the fourm up and causing Dr. John to leave was a Sponsore posting about there Products on his site. He asked the guy not to post and deleted them. Only to have this Sponsore do to the Mod's and complain about there posts beening deleted. They then got on Dr. John for this and when he started he was told the fourm would be run with no addvertising or talk about steroid using. So he quit.

I would like to know why someone who is on TRT should not use products from
---http://www.prim ordial performance .com

why these products should only be used by people on steroids.
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Dermacrine contains:
Pregnenolone
DHEA
7,8 benzoflavone
Chrysin
Resveratol
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Dermacrine Sustain contains:
7,8 benzoflavone
Chrysin
Resveratol
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[pmgamer18]

I don't understand your question as to what we are talking about. How said this.

Originally Posted by JanSz

I would like to know why someone who is on TRT should not use products from
---http://www.prim ordial performance .com

why these products should only be used by people on steroids.
------------------------------------------------
Dermacrine contains:
Pregnenolone
DHEA
7,8 benzoflavone
Chrysin
Resveratol
-----------------------------------------------
Dermacrine Sustain contains:
7,8 benzoflavone
Chrysin
Resveratol
-----------------------------------------------

[Millard Baker]

What broke the fourm up and causing Dr. John to leave was a Sponsore posting about there Products on his site. He asked the guy not to post and deleted them. Only to have this Sponsore do to the Mod's and complain about there posts beening deleted. They then got on Dr. John for this

Huh? That had nothing to do with it - it was never an issue at least on this forum..
Edit: I see now that you were referring to AM