Where to get HMG?

[Megazoid]

I've spoke to countless endos, urologists, doctors and even anti-aging clinics and nobody seem's to have much information on HMG. I believe to "resolve" or at least help my situation FSH/HMG is worth trying for a few months alongside HCG. I need to try and regenerate/regrow my nut's to previous size to see if T increases.

Does anyone have a link to a company that sells HMG? no urologist is willing to prescribe it (in fact, none actually knew about it). I got a great source link from this forum for an online pharamcy that has HCG. I ordered and had no problems but they don't have HMG.

Any help would be appreciated, i am aware this is rather exspensive but i willing to pay for it if it can help my situation.

[zkt]

Duuhh whats hmg ?

[Normandy]

Megazoid, the ppl who deal with HMG are fertility docs.
Get ur sperm count checked.. if it's low, you might convince them to try HMG.

However, fertility issues aren't usually covered by insurance, so it'll all be out of pocket mostly.





-- Normandy

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by zkt

Duuhh whats hmg ?

http://www.cvsprocare.com/content/fe...vsGeneric.html

What do FSH, HCG and HMG stand for?

FSH, HCG, and HMG are abbreviations for three different medications used to treat infertility. The following table summarizes generic and brand names that correspond to each abbreviation:

Abbreviation Generic Name Brand Name
FSH Follicle Stimulating Hormone
Gonal-F®, Follistim®, Fertinex®

HCG Human Chorionic Gonadotropin
Pregnyl®, Profasi®, Novarel®

HMG Human Menopausal Gonadotropins
Humegon®, Pergonal®, Repronex®


FSH stands for follicle stimulating hormone, which is contained in Gonal-F®, Follistim®, and Fertinex®. These medications are commonly used in combination with HCG in assisted reproductive technologies (ART). The function of FSH is to stimulate the growth of follicles in the ovaries.

Pregnyl®, Profasi®, and Novarel® all contain HCG or human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a hormone used to induce ovulation in women who are unable to ovulate on their own. It works by helping to release the egg from the follicle, usually following administration of FSH.

HMG stands for human menopausal gonadotropins, which helps to stimulate follicular growth and maturation. Humegon®, Pergonal®, and Repronex® contain HMG and are typically used in combination with HCG to induce ovulation. These medications are also prescribed for men who have insufficient quantity or quality of sperm due to hormonal abnormalities.



Why are there several different brand name medications corresponding to each generic name?
The medications that contain FSH differ by the way they are manufactured. Gonal-F® and Follistim® are both FSH produced through a complex bio-technical engineering process.

Gonal-F® and Follistim® differ from each other only slightly in regards to their chemical structure, but have the same action in the body. Fertinex®, on the other hand, is highly purified FSH collected from the urine of postmenopausal women.

The medications that contain either HCG or HMG are all made from identical active ingredients. For example, Pergonal®, released by Serono in 1985, was the first HMG product to be approved in the United States. After the patent expired for Serono to be the sole manufacturer of Pergonal®, Organon Inc. released Humegon® in 1994, and Ferring Labs. released Repronex® in 1997. Although medications containing HCG and HMG have brand names assigned by their manufacturers, they are still generic drugs. The manufacturers gave these drugs "brand names" as a way to differentiate their products from the other generic products. Therefore, all of the medications that contain HCG and all those that contain HMG are identical with the only difference being the manufacturer that produces that medication and the name assigned to their product.



Are generics less effective than brand name drugs since they are less expensive?

No, generic medications are made from the identical active ingredients as the corresponding brand medication. To further understand the equivalence of brand and generic medications, it is important to get an understanding of the process by which medications are approved.

For a new drug to be approved for marketing in the United States, the manufacturer must submit a new drug application (NDA) to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The NDA contains information regarding clinical tests that demonstrate the safety and effectiveness of a given drug in humans. These clinical trials performed with the new drugs can take a number of years.

In general, it takes millions of dollars for drug manufacturers to discover, research and develop a new drug. In order to recover from this financial investment, the federal government awards the manufacturer a 17-year patent for exclusive research and development (R&D) of the new drug. The patent prohibits other pharmaceutical companies from developing the same drug during that time frame. The purpose of this process is to encourage pharmaceutical manufacturers to continue R&D of new drugs.

Although 17 years is a long time, some drugs undergo many years of research and development before FDA approval. In 1984, the Drug Price Competition and Patent Term Restoration Act extended the manufactures exclusive marketing of the drugs for up to an additional 5 years, further encouraging new drug development by drug companies.

When the manufacturer’s patent expires, other drug manufacturers are then permitted to develop similar products that contain the identical active ingredients as the approved brand name drug. These are typically referred to as generic drugs. In order for generic forms of the brand name drug to be approved, they must meet the FDA’s stringent standards for equivalence (i.e., active ingredients, strength, chemical properties, ect.). When all of the standards of equivalence between the generic and the brand name drug are met, the FDA then approves the proposed generic drug for marketing in the United States.

Because the generic manufacturers did not have to invest heavily into R&D of a drug, they are able to offer their products at a reduced cost to the consumer. This explains why generics are much less expensive than their brand counterparts.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by Megazoid

Any help would be appreciated, i am aware this is rather exspensive but i willing to pay for it if it can help my situation.

You may be in luck, try this

http://www.ivfmeds.com/

If this actually works, I suggest you talk to PrimordialPerformance first.
There is few HMG's but there are other quite similar other hormones, say FSH,
possibly he can have something to say.
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Sometime I wonder if I should give HCG/HMG combo a try and get out ass-backward from my Tcream
and latter just try his Dermacrine.
All I know that I had LH=5.7(1.5-9.3)
I may as well be a secondary.

[Primordial Performance]

Originally Posted by JanSz

You may be in luck, try this

http://www.ivfmeds.com/

If this actually works, I suggest you talk to PrimordialPerformance first.
There is few HMG's but there are other quite similar other hormones, say FSH,
possibly he can have something to say.
================================================== =============
Sometime I wonder if I should give HCG/HMG combo a try and get out ass-backward from my Tcream
and latter just try his Dermacrine.
All I know that I had LH=5.7(1.5-9.3)
I may as well be a secondary.

Yes, FSH could be subbed for HMG... as LH could be subbed for HCG.

-Pp

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by Primordial Performance

Yes, FSH could be subbed for HMG... as LH could be subbed for HCG.

-Pp

http://www.pharmacy-network.com/main.html
This site definitely sells without script.
They do not have HMG but they have FSH.
FERTINEX - METRODIN
(UROFOLLITROPIN, HUMAN FSH)

1X Fostimon - 989000
(Purified Urofollitropin/ Human FSH)

75 IU

Manufacturer: Meizler.

(Compare to Fertinex)
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75 IU (300IU Total). $116.95

Ask PrimordialPerformance how many days supply you need.
I guess minimum 30 days but 100 would be better.

[zkt]

Thanks good read
The prices, might be a tad high on th NoRX link you posted. .5mg dostinex $100. Highest Ive seen. Maybe others from them are better.

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by zkt

Thanks good read
The prices, might be a tad high on th NoRX link you posted. .5mg dostinex $100. Highest Ive seen. Maybe others from them are better.

All those prices are outrageous, especially for items that you need to take several times a week. It's a fucking rip-off.

The prices on the first link are very reasonable. Too bad they require a prescription. Does anyone else know of a site that sells HMG without a script?

[The_Skeptic]

Here is one I just found that is not as expensive as that other link but it will be costly because you have to inject 75 IUs three times a week to make HMG work, from what I've read.

http://www.repromedinternational.com...ation-c-3.html

[Megazoid]

Skeptic that look's like a good link, so HMG is the exact same as FSH (basically)?

The one that seemed best was: IVF-M (HMG) powder injectable 150 IU (10 vials)

What do you guy's reckon?

JanSz, an LH of 6+ isn't secondary, i think you are a little confused. Anything over 10+ (LH) is consider primary, not secondary. Secondary is when LH is below 3 (or 2) and low t symptoms exist. A normal/average LH is 3.9 (for most of the male population). My friend who has no testosterone symptoms/low t has an LH of 3.9 also for example.

I believe you and me are both "half primary", we still have some leydig cell function, just not as good as before.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by Megazoid

Skeptic that look's like a good link, so HMG is the exact same as FSH (basically)?

The one that seemed best was: IVF-M (HMG) powder injectable 150 IU (10 vials)

What do you guy's reckon?

JanSz, an LH of 6+ isn't secondary, i think you are a little confused. Anything over 10+ (LH) is consider primary, not secondary. Secondary is when LH is below 3 (or 2) and low t symptoms exist. A normal/average LH is 3.9 (for most of the male population). My friend who has no testosterone symptoms/low t has an LH of 3.9 also for example.

I believe you and me are both "half primary", we still have some leydig cell function, just not as good as before.

For you "half primary" plus your young age may be a ticket to success.
My LH=5.7 plus my 67yo not sure if it is worth the effort trying HCG/HMG route.

In any case if you do try I suggest full bore effort, I know it is expensive.
But half ass effort sure is not going to help you, you may as well give the money to other needy people.

IIRC the dose is 100IU-HCG+75IU-HMG every day, 30 days minimum but 90 days much better.
HMG can be replaced with FSH for this particular purpose (supposedly).