Who has lowered E2 naturally in here ?

[chip douglas]

Has anyone in here ever lowered E2 naturally as with the use of high dose Vitamin C and through other agents ? I'd like to hear about your success stories please.

Thanks

[Sunkist]

Well, I don't know about success, but I don't take an Rx.

I have a T to E of better than 30-1 and on this I go by ratio.

I try to keep the fat down first. That was the most help, and I do enough with activity and weights to help as well.

I use C, Zinc, 6-0x0, DIM and chrysin transdermally as well as with emulsification orally. I also take Tribulus and Pasak Bumi.

I use anti parkinsons to advantage. I also have the belief that an alpha 2 blocker helps as well, but I have no evidence or studies.

This is the part I can think of... but I am constantly tweaking it.

[chip douglas]

Originally Posted by Sunkist

Well, I don't know about success, but I don't take an Rx.

I have a T to E of better than 30-1 and on this I go by ratio.

I try to keep the fat down first. That was the most help, and I do enough with activity and weights to help as well.

I use C, Zinc, 6-0x0, DIM and chrysin transdermally as well as with emulsification orally. I also take Tribulus and Pasak Bumi.

I use anti parkinsons to advantage. I also have the belief that an alpha 2 blocker helps as well, but I have no evidence or studies.

This is the part I can think of... but I am constantly tweaking it.

This is interesting--where do you get your trandermal chrysyn from ?

As far as DIM (and I3C0, I was into it big time, until I read this : http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/ss06/indole.html

I hate it when I bump into such article, cause it adds much confusion as to whether one should use DIM and/or I3C or not.

How long have you been using this protocol for Sunkist ?

Thanks

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by chip douglas

This is interesting--where do you get your trandermal chrysyn from ?

As far as DIM (and I3C0, I was into it big time, until I read this : http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/ss06/indole.html

I hate it when I bump into such article, cause it adds much confusion as to whether one should use DIM and/or I3C or not.

How long have you been using this protocol for Sunkist ?

Thanks

Thanks for the article.
Did I get it right, please check.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-...tml#post884339

Instead of straight DIM I use
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00969.html
Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Resveratrol & Cat's Claw
It contains multiple cruciferous ingredients and other.
Would you like to help me figure out max safe dose vs body weight of DualAction.
Currently I am using 6pills/day, and found big improvement in my TotalE and estrone.
When I used 1pill/day (as recomended by LEF) I did not see much improvement.
LEF recomends 1 pill/160# body weight.
Thanks again.

[chip douglas]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Thanks for the article.
Did I get it right, please check.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-...tml#post884339

Instead of straight DIM I use
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00969.html
Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Resveratrol & Cat's Claw
It contains multiple cruciferous ingredients and other.
Would you like to help me figure out max safe dose vs body weight of DualAction.
Currently I am using 6pills/day, and found big improvement in my TotalE and estrone.
When I used 1pill/day (as recomended by LEF) I did not see much improvement.
LEF recomends 1 pill/160# body weight.
Thanks again.

It's good to hear you've having much success at this dose. Do you feel you could cut back on it now, and use a maintenance dose more like the one LEF recommends ? As far as max safe dose, i'm puzzled, cause there still appear to be uncertainty surrounding DIM/I3C, so as far as safe dosing, I wouldn't know. If I were you, I'd try cutting back on dose and see what happens then. I prefer the LEF product you're using to straight DIM or I3C safety wise.

[Naturdoc]

The article from OSU did not find any adverse effects from DIM dosage below 24 mg/kg/day.

[jaydee]

Yep, Chrysin would be my first choice. As well as the others already mentioned, Calcium D Glucarate can help with E metabolism.

[chip douglas]

[quote=JanSz]Thanks for the article.
Did I get it right, please check.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-...tml#post884339

Looks like you did a good job on the dosing in mg per kg. Again, I want to say I kinda like that LEF product you're on.

It reminds me Paul and Kitty Wakfer, cause they both take this formula too. Who are Paul and Kitty Wakfer ? You can see their huge supplement regimen here :

Paul's :
http://morelife.org/personal/health/his-regimen.html

Kitty's : http://morelife.org/personal/health/her-regimen.html

Their website : http://morelife.org/

Their discussion board : http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/morelife/

Their photo albums: http://morelife.org/personal/photos/index.html

Paul is quite knowledgeable as far as overall physiology, supplements and the likes. It's not related to our discussion, but I thought you and others might like to browse their regimen.