Would this warrant treatment?

[Aidan]

Hey i have always being hypogonadal test levels 14+/-2 (range 8-33) age 21. This was done 6 times over 2 years.
Well anyway when I couldnt get someone to treat i did it myself sus 250 biweekly-yes i know but it was all i got- and hcg. I also had some nova on hand
Now when i finally found a doctor to treat me I get tests done again and the result was 23. I dont know if this is from the hcg or nova kickstarting my testes or what. My oestrogen was 153 range up to 120. FSH anLH dont know exact values but were very low 1.something Now the doc does not feel i warrant treatment there. On the replacement i felt great sex drive strength and energy. Tests were taken 8 weeks after self treatment
Now though the levels are raised i feel as before poor errections never morning wood increased fat gain decreased muscle gain etc.
I am going to book an appointment with him. Have i any clinical argument for therapy now?

[Brennon]

That's when you just become up front and honest with the doctor and explain what happened...would I say you still warrant treatment? It depends. You'd need to figure out what caused the low test levels to begin with, get more bloodwork done, etc.

[Aidan]

I did tell the doc initially i self treated because he was not buying that I could have low T symptoms with my musculature. However the drugs effects should of been gone foe when i got tested.
What caused them initially i dont know lh and fsh are low but its not the pituitary as tsh is high unless there is some adenoma present but i more think i just it is the way am. Naturally i have always had poor development through out my years never quite hit puberty properly.

[Brennon]

Were you using anything at the time? ie. Tamoxifen?

[Aidan]

Yeah i was on tamoxifen but stopped 4 weeks before test

[Krembles]

TRT therapy is for OLD people. Do you want to use TRT between hevy steroid cycles? Most people on TRT are over 40. I seen some cops,
and law enforcement types get through.

[Brennon]

Originally Posted by Krembles

TRT therapy is for OLD people. Do you want to use TRT between hevy steroid cycles? Most people on TRT are over 40. I seen some cops,
and law enforcement types get through.

I'm 20 and on TRT. Not everyone is 'OLD'. Should I say that you are simply trying to avoid the natural process of aging by unnaturally altering your endocrine system?

Some of us are young and never got to enjoy the 'good life', so to speak, without TRT. If someone needs TRT, he needs TRT, whether that person is 10or 60.

[Aidan]

Originally Posted by Krembles

TRT therapy is for OLD people. Do you want to use TRT between hevy steroid cycles? Most people on TRT are over 40. I seen some cops,
and law enforcement types get through.

No I am hypogonadal however my dire frustration when for 2 years i had the results to prove it but couldnt get treated -most western europeans will understand the ignorance that exists here- drove me to self treat.
I am looking for trt to have a proper life not for in between steroid cycles

[Brennon]

Originally Posted by Aidan

No I am hypogonadal however my dire frustration when for 2 years i had the results to prove it but couldnt get treated -most western europeans will understand the ignorance that exists here- drove me to self treat.
I am looking for trt to have a proper life not for in between steroid cycles

Aidan, I ended up having to self treat as well. I just couldn't stand having absolutely 0 sex drive, lethargy, etc. I bounced between doctors and right now I'm again trying to find a new doctor in the area.

[foreverstrong37]

Im 37, my Serum Test was 937, I never took any steroids or drugs. My libido is low, I am quite muscular, but not hard. I am 185, 5'11 about 12% bodyfat. No gyno.

Is it possible in anyones opinion that even though my Test is high, that my free test is low, and my Estradiol is too high?

I dont think the doctor will order the free test and estradiol test for me, as he is satisfied that my test levels are not to blame for my libido and malaise problems.

Im thinking of doing .25 mg arimidex as a diagnostic to see if it helps? Can this cause me any harm ?

Thanks

[wildfox]

Have you had your SHBG measure? That's what keeps T from being useful T.
How about DHT and the rest of the picture?

WF

[love_en]

I am in the same boat, Total T is as low as it can go without it being under that damned reference range. Thanks to someone who will not be named, many doctors in America will not prescribe testosterone. I treat myself with enanthate from Mexico, Greek Pregnyl and letrozole. If I were not on TRT, I would become a frail old man at age 33. I have suspected hypogonadism in myself for many years, finally pushed the issue and got tested last year.