250mg wk/inj experiences, opinions and dangers?

[Megazoid]

I am waiting on my HC and testosterone enthanate coming through (Axiolabs). I also ordered some needle/syringe's too. I am going to get fresh blood work done in the coming weeks to give a proper idea of where everything is sitting hormonal. My joints hurt at times, i take longer to recover from aches/pains and my sex drive dosen't exist. I also have penile shrinkage, ED and lack of sensation.

If my free t is as low as it was before, i believe testosterone injections are the best method for me. I don't want to mess around with creams or gels since i am hypothyroid. I want to get free t, dht and estridol a little higher. I have low body fat and have a heavy cardio based job. My energy levels at present are good.

I want to have room to experiment and having testosterone levels in the highest range seem's logical to allow me to use pain killers (if needed for varicocele pain), thyroid, adrenals, etc.

I spoke a little with love_en and he is currently doing 250mg of testosterone weekly alongside HC and feeling pretty good (libido, virualisation, etc wise). I want to be able to grow a proper beard, gain muscle and generally adapt a more masculine male body. My worries right now are improving sex drive (i.e. having one again) and ability to get and keep erections (something i am struggling VERY badly with right now). Improving flaccid size is also something i want.

I tried 125mg before and i felt good for a few day's then felt worse than before there after (probably E2 killing my already poor thyroid function). At this time i wasn't treating thyroid nor adrenals, so that probably explains allot of things.

My intention is to split the 250mg (1ml) into twice a week injections (125mg each time) and HCG at 250iu everyday before each shot. This should take me well into the high ranges for my age group.

While doing this i will also keep tightly too Dr Marianco's protocol of adrenals/thyroid. Going up to 200mcg of levo.

Are there any long term dangers with the exception of of high estridol (and all it's symptoms - gyno, prostate, etc)?

Sick of feeling so shit...

[MacDonnell]

Dave,

250 mg/week is a sh*tload of T!!!! Have you thought about maybe doing 60 - 75 mg. every third day? Also, are you going to do HCG?

Jim

[masterpp]

Afraid to say I agree. 250 is massive. Some people do these massive dosses cos of e2 problems7, but generally half that dose, broken up into shots every three days will be move than enough and should prevent conversion problens like u had before. Also consider subq shots as they blunt the t release so u get a more even level

[pmgamer18]

Megazoid what are you doing right now to treat your Adrenals and Thyroid I don't see your doing anything but posting about what your going to do. Dam men you need to start some where and if and when you do start with your adrenals get them supported then go to your thyroid. This can take a good 6 months to a yr. to get under control. When it is under control re test and if your testosterone is low go on TRT. But I must warn you one thing at a time. Stop thinking about this and start.

Originally Posted by Megazoid

I am waiting on my HC and testosterone enthanate coming through (Axiolabs). I also ordered some needle/syringe's too. I am going to get fresh blood work done in the coming weeks to give a proper idea of where everything is sitting hormonal. My joints hurt at times, i take longer to recover from aches/pains and my sex drive dosen't exist. I also have penile shrinkage, ED and lack of sensation.

If my free t is as low as it was before, i believe testosterone injections are the best method for me. I don't want to mess around with creams or gels since i am hypothyroid. I want to get free t, dht and estridol a little higher. I have low body fat and have a heavy cardio based job. My energy levels at present are good.

I want to have room to experiment and having testosterone levels in the highest range seem's logical to allow me to use pain killers (if needed for varicocele pain), thyroid, adrenals, etc.

I spoke a little with love_en and he is currently doing 250mg of testosterone weekly alongside HC and feeling pretty good (libido, virualisation, etc wise). I want to be able to grow a proper beard, gain muscle and generally adapt a more masculine male body. My worries right now are improving sex drive (i.e. having one again) and ability to get and keep erections (something i am struggling VERY badly with right now). Improving flaccid size is also something i want.

I tried 125mg before and i felt good for a few day's then felt worse than before there after (probably E2 killing my already poor thyroid function). At this time i wasn't treating thyroid nor adrenals, so that probably explains allot of things.

My intention is to split the 250mg (1ml) into twice a week injections (125mg each time) and HCG at 250iu everyday before each shot. This should take me well into the high ranges for my age group.

While doing this i will also keep tightly too Dr Marianco's protocol of adrenals/thyroid. Going up to 200mcg of levo.

Are there any long term dangers with the exception of of high estridol (and all it's symptoms - gyno, prostate, etc)?

Sick of feeling so shit...

[love_en]

If I I could do it all over again, I would have started by replacing my cortisol first. But I didn't know as much as I did now. The only reason why I am on so much testosterone is because I did not go through a full puberty and am trying to fix that. In another year, I am going to be reducing my dose to 125 mg per week. I have been on TRT since 2005. I did not get the full benefit from the high doses of testosterone until I got on HC. Granted, I did feel much better on TRT. but muscle growth and virilization did not happen very strongly until the HC. How blind can doctors be? Muscle wasting, appetite loss, and chronic fatigue are characteristic of adrenal insufficiency. Not to mention salt cravings and heat intolerance.

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by love_en

If I I could do it all over again, I would have started by replacing my cortisol first. But I didn't know as much as I did now. The only reason why I am on so much testosterone is because I did not go through a full puberty and am trying to fix that. In another year, I am going to be reducing my dose to 125 mg per week. I have been on TRT since 2005. I did not get the full benefit from the high doses of testosterone until I got on HC. Granted, I did feel much better on TRT. but muscle growth and virilization did not happen very strongly until the HC. How blind can doctors be? Muscle wasting, appetite loss, and chronic fatigue are characteristic of adrenal insufficiency. Not to mention salt cravings and heat intolerance.

I am like you in that I didn't complete puberty. I've been on TRT for 12 years and it still hasn't remedied that. I've been on HC for two months and I really haven't felt a difference in that regard.

How much T are you on now? What did the addition of HC do as far as your puberty progress goes?

What is the biological explanation in HC having a role in this?

[Megazoid]

Thanks for the replies guy's.

While i am not secondary like love_en, i also "paused" at the final stage of puberty where muscle growth, beard growth and general "male characteristics" are more prominont. Before varicocele i had a great sex drive, no ed, above average penile size, etc...

I have never really been hairy, this could be genetic too though. However part of me think's this is due to go through puberty late.

[love_en]

Originally Posted by The_Skeptic

I am like you in that I didn't complete puberty. I've been on TRT for 12 years and it still hasn't remedied that. I've been on HC for two months and I really haven't felt a difference in that regard.

How much T are you on now? What did the addition of HC do as far as your puberty progress goes?

What is the biological explanation in HC having a role in this?

Having my cortisol replaced helped my virility, libido and ability to maintain muscle mass. I suspect much of my developmental problems center around hypothyroidism and adrenal insufficiency. I can blame my small size on adrenal insufficiency. If you go through most of your life unable to eat normally, it is impossible to grow to a normal size.

How much HC are you on? An ACTH stim test revealed that I have very little reserve. So I am on a full replacement of 35 mg per day. My Testosterone is 250 mg per week and I am planning on dropping it down to 125 per week next year. The high dose treatment has done lots of things that I am very happy about. I now see muscles on my chest and shoulders. There are veins running up and down my arms. I can even see some on my torso. I totally lost the pot belly that I had. That was hideous. Imagine someone weighing no more than 130lbs with a soft fat midsection. The best part is I no longer feel like an asexual eunich. It just so happened that I decided to start HC at the same time I went on 250 mg of T. For almost a year prior, I had been on 125 per week. I was feeling much better than I had been for the last 27 years, but it was not 100%. Now I consider myself 80% better than before. The last issue I need to deal with is heat intolerance and the inability to regulate my temperature.

I do not know the exact explanation as to why. But once I went on HC, I was able to eat enough. Even with my small size, I estimate maintenance calories at 3000 per day. when my adrenals were not treated, it was hard for me to consume even 1000 per day. Do not understand what was going through the doctor's head when I was 13 years old, 5"6" and only 60 lbs. At that time he told me it was healthy to be thin.

Some people did not get the genetics to be hairy. I am Japanese, but I have hairy arms, legs and can grow very nice facial hair. That was always there. Once I went on TRT, a nice trail of hair grew from my navel to my crotch. I know I am supposed to have that because my healthy 27 year old kid brother had that since he was about 16 years old. The last dickhead endo I saw "diagnosed" me as "normal" simply because he saw that I had too much facial hair growth. I had shaved an hour before seeing him.