adex didn't work

[DaVinci2]

I took 1mg of adex last night. I was having problems with panic attacks after hCG shots, and saw my estrogen was high (Throught blood tests). After taking 1mg last I was OK...this morning I was fine...by the afternoon I was on edge again, by 5pm I was in an ambulance having the worst panic attack of my life. I couldn't breathe. At the hospital they did a CT scan, checked my heart, no problems. After 2 valium, I was calm...but I'm still feeling a bit sick from the 3 hours of hell I was put through today...I have no clue as to what I should do now.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

I took 1mg of adex last night. I was having problems with panic attacks after hCG shots, and saw my estrogen was high (Throught blood tests). After taking 1mg last I was OK...this morning I was fine...by the afternoon I was on edge again, by 5pm I was in an ambulance having the worst panic attack of my life. I couldn't breathe. At the hospital they did a CT scan, checked my heart, no problems. After 2 valium, I was calm...but I'm still feeling a bit sick from the 3 hours of hell I was put through today...I have no clue as to what I should do now.

T control estrogens
I eat daily in divided dose six pills of
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00969.html
two pills of
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00359.html
I do not over-load on testosterone, because it may just turn in to excess estrogene.
I use 0.75gram of 100mg/1gram T cream and
250IU HCG (not sure but my testis are most likely not producing T), if they were I probably would reduce Tcream dose. I will have more info on my next blood test.
I do not use Arimidex.

[DaVinci2]

Originally Posted by JanSz

T control estrogens
I eat daily in divided dose six pills of
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00969.html
two pills of
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00359.html
I do not over-load on testosterone, because it may just turn in to excess estrogene.
I use 0.75gram of 100mg/1gram T cream and
250IU HCG (not sure but my testis are most likely not producing T), if they were I probably would reduce Tcream dose. I will have more info on my next blood test.
I do not use Arimidex.

When I had my testosterone and E2 checked, my testosterone was just normal. Not high, but not low either. The estrogen was high. I figured this would be the cause of my panic attacks, but perhaps other stresses around me are causing the panic attacks. I plan on taking a few days off work and focusing on other stuff, like my photography.

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

When I had my testosterone and E2 checked, my testosterone was just normal. Not high, but not low either. The estrogen was high. I figured this would be the cause of my panic attacks, but perhaps other stresses around me are causing the panic attacks. I plan on taking a few days off work and focusing on other stuff, like my photography.

What about your free levels aof testostorone ? if estrogen is high that is low usually,
remember to you may be experienceing a dopaimine increase from possible lowering of estrogen since it may have been elevated for a prolong time freeing up test. Excessive dopamine will cause anxiety possible.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

When I had my testosterone and E2 checked, my testosterone was just normal. Not high, but not low either. The estrogen was high. I figured this would be the cause of my panic attacks, but perhaps other stresses around me are causing the panic attacks. I plan on taking a few days off work and focusing on other stuff, like my photography.

Wait did you test Estrogen if so this is not going to tell you anything. You needed to test Estradiol "E2" can you post your test and the name of it with the ranges and units. If your E2 is real high and this happened to you then you will need to do .5 mgs of Arimidex everyday and watch your wood if you can't get it up after a time stop the arimidex. Your E2 went to low.

Once panic attacks start they will keep coming on becasue your worried about them and one can't help worrying about them. Try a low dose of valium or Xanax until you calm down.

[DaVinci2]

It was E2 that was tested. I had 46pn/ml and all it gave for a reference range was that anything below 57 was normal. On the blood test it said that free test was either too low to count OR he didn't test for it. I'm not sure which.

[kincaiddave]

Was last night your first dose of the Arimidex? It has a half life of five days and takes a while to build up. Even after it builds up it only blocks new E2 from being formed. It doesn't reduce your existing level of E2. All this means that you shouldn't expect overnight results by any means. Maybe you have been taking it for a while, I don't know.

Have you stopped taking 500IU HCG at a time? That much at once can raise your E2 overnight. If you are still taking that much, I would cut that in half.

[DaVinci2]

Last night was my first dose of Adex. Last week I had 500ius of hCG. I've had 750ius of hCG for about 3 months.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

Last night was my first dose of Adex. Last week I had 500ius of hCG. I've had 750ius of hCG for about 3 months.

The 500IU of HCG is this your total dose for a week? How do you split it?

[Vforcer2]

You may need to consider dropping the HCG. 100 iu per day doubled my E2 and did not raise my T at all.

[DaVinci2]

Would switching to test shots be a good idea? Would this cause any problems with E2? My doctor is perfectly willing to give me testosterone shots instead.

I'll write this here, but will post in it's own thread if I don't get an answer.

I was on testosterone before. I went off because I had dead sperm. My wife and are going to try to have a kid in Decemeber. I came off the testosterone and my sperm returned (Although low). My doc suggested hCG until I had a kid. I'd like to switch to testosterone until it comes time to make babies. Does this sound stupid or reasonable?

[Vforcer2]

Originally Posted by DaVinci2

Would switching to test shots be a good idea? Would this cause any problems with E2? My doctor is perfectly willing to give me testosterone shots instead.

I'll write this here, but will post in it's own thread if I don't get an answer.

I was on testosterone before. I went off because I had dead sperm. My wife and are going to try to have a kid in Decemeber. I came off the testosterone and my sperm returned (Although low). My doc suggested hCG until I had a kid. I'd like to switch to testosterone until it comes time to make babies. Does this sound stupid or reasonable?

Once you have suppressed your testicles with testosterone use, it can take 6 months to a year to get back to a normal sperm production. So if your plans are to have children then you need to stay off T.

How long have you been off T and on HCG, what is your age, and why did you begin T therapy to begin with?

[DaVinci2]

Originally Posted by Vforcer2

Once you have suppressed your testicles with testosterone use, it can take 6 months to a year to get back to a normal sperm production. So if your plans are to have children then you need to stay off T.

How long have you been off T and on HCG, what is your age, and why did you begin T therapy to begin with?

I was off T by August 2006. Was on it for 3 months. I started T shots because I have low T. I'm 28 yrs old. Spent 4 yrs training properly, eating properly, and it seemed that gaining weight (LBM) was a bit hard, but doable, but losing weight was just impossible (The fat). I understood that diet was the key to fat loss. Someone suggested getting my T levels checked, so I did and was low. I was on T shots almost 6 months later (Had to do some research before letting someone stick me with a needle once a week). After 3 months had my sperm count, all dead. Went of the T for 2 months, and my sperm was up. Went on hCG at the end of November. Last hCG shot was 1 week ago.

Other symptoms I suffered from were low energy (So low that I had to take naps during the day on most days). I stopped going out partying with friends, although this proved to be good for my training. I felt easily irritated. Low libido was never a problem, which I assume isn't always a problem on low T anyways. I was told that I may just be dealing with depression, but decided that it wasn't that. Saw a doc, asked to get a regular blood test, and at the same time asked if he could do a hormone panel. That led to more tests...and here I am today.

[Vforcer2]

Are you still overweight?

If so this is likely your biggest problem leading to higher E2 levels which then suppresses your natural T levels. Then of course the E2 leads to panic attacks, either to low or to high, I believe, but I am not positive on which. Phil probably knows.

If you are overweight and already have high E2 levels, the HCG is further exasterbating that problem. I would cease HCG altogether since you have been on it for about 3-4 months. I would say it is time to go natural. By December I would think your sperm should be close if not all the way back to full production.

If you get your weight were it needs to be and are doing high intensity weight training 2-3 times per week and eating a diet with 30-40% good fats, your T levels should normalize at your age.

At 28 years old you don't want to monkey around with hormones unless you have an absolute problem. Diet and exercise are the key for you at your age.

[jsupstarz]

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