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My doctor put me on androgel about 4 weeks ago 1 pack a day for the past two weeks I feel like i'm dragging more then when I started. Now when i train on the bike my muscles get super sore and stay sore for 2 3 days my endurance and strength feels like its dropping off more and more any thought? I go for my 1st blood test since I started on Thursday feels almost like my levels are even lower now then when I started. My TT was at 200 when i started TRT. I want to talk to him about doing weekly injection. Any info would be a great help. Few people I've talked to told me to run 150mg spilt in 2 shots EW of Test C or E others told me to run sustanon. I'm 22. I've never run a cycle or anything in my life that would drop my test its always felt low just never had it checked till now. thanks









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My doctor put me on androgel about 4 weeks ago 1 pack a day for the past two weeks I feel like i'm dragging more then when I started. Now when i train on the bike my muscles get super sore and stay sore for 2 3 days my endurance and strength feels like its dropping off more and more any thought? I go for my 1st blood test since I started on Thursday feels almost like my levels are even lower now then when I started. My TT was at 200 when i started TRT. I want to talk to him about doing weekly injection. Any info would be a great help. Few people I've talked to told me to run 150mg spilt in 2 shots EW of Test C or E others told me to run sustanon. I'm 22. I've never run a cycle or anything in my life that would drop my test its always felt low just never had it checked till now. thanks





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Thts because 5 grams is just enough to turn off your own testosterone so you are losing what you were already making. After 2 weeks get checked and then add another 2.5 grams then check again for 22 years old TT should be at top 90% along with free test. Before putting you on the androgel did the moron check your dhea-s, shbg, ft3, ft4, and epecially estrodial, probably the fuck not because they are not hormone specialst. I would suspect adrenal would also be addressed here as well as well as possbile neurotransmitters imbalnace due to the adrenal fatigue and altered cortisol fluctuation.
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Hardasnails is right you need to stay with the androgel and go up on the dose. Also go to www.allthingmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG update. Get to bood " The Testosterone Syndrome" by Dr. Shippen. And this link will help you understand more about low T.
http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_h...n_therapy.html
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Has anyone heard of 5g Androgel lowering TT below 200?
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Has anyone heard of 5g Androgel lowering TT below 200?
Yep because your body is producing your own and with the added test it tells your body to turn off your own and stop making it plus check E2 land DHT evels as well it could be converting to them instead. I was on testocreme which works great with an anti estrogen, but with out it my total t was 307 and free was low end of normal thats with 10% 1 gram
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Adding any form of T to your body will be seen by your brain and then your brain will stop sending the LH and FSH messages to your Testis. Now your Testis will stop makeing T. So lets say your base line test was 200 you go on androgel 5 grams this brings your T levels up to 350 your brain sees this and stops sending the LH and FSH to your testis now the 200 your testis were making stops and you end up lower the when you started at 150. Why 2 reasions gel in not getting though your skin enough or 5 grams is not enough. Most men that end up with this problem do better on a higher dose.
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When i use the androgel i always have this white powder on my abs and arms. I go for blood work in the morning see what happens
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Bingo, your body isnt absorbing it, so it most probly is sending you under 200.

The day after you do your blood test and before you start injections, just start applying it to your upper arms and flanks(sides between stomach and back).
Spread it out and rub it in abit.
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Bingo, your body isnt absorbing it, so it most probly is sending you under 200.

The day after you do your blood test and before you start injections, just start applying it to your upper arms and flanks(sides between stomach and back).
Spread it out and rub it in abit.
If you have adrenal problems you skin hydration is not good and you will not absorbed the get as well. I am finding this out big time with the testocreme because the PLO gel is not getting absornbed through my skin which is so dedhyrated but the alcohol base should have no problem betting through, Plus any thing with soy bean base in it could easily affect your thyroid and estrogen conversion and add furhter insult to estrogen/adrenal/thyroid dysfunctioin already..
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My doctor put me on androgel about 4 weeks ago 1 pack a day for the past two weeks I feel like i'm dragging more then when I started. Now when i train on the bike my muscles get super sore and stay sore for 2 3 days my endurance and strength feels like its dropping off more and more any thought? I go for my 1st blood test since I started on Thursday feels almost like my levels are even lower now then when I started. My TT was at 200 when i started TRT. I want to talk to him about doing weekly injection. Any info would be a great help. Few people I've talked to told me to run 150mg spilt in 2 shots EW of Test C or E others told me to run sustanon. I'm 22. I've never run a cycle or anything in my life that would drop my test its always felt low just never had it checked till now. thanks
Before you supplement with anything, do blood tests.
test, adrenals, thyroid, gonads
when attempting to adjust your levels, also do it in this order
adrenals
thyroid
gonads

If you did tests, then post hem.
You need doctor who is familiar with TRT or who is friendly and will write prescriptions for what you need if you ask him for it. In this second case yo need to educate you self. I any case be gratefull for any help you get from your doctor.
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