anybody likes pellet therapy over injections?

[1cc]

Originally Posted by Vforcer2

Beta Sitosterols are plant sterols that are immune system modulators. There is a lot of research on one particularly weaker product called Moducare(recommended at 60mg per day). I was taking 375 mg per day( http://www.vitacost.com/Source-Natur...-Mega-Strength ) which was to much. It dropped my H&H as well as my platlets count from 400's to 100's.

Platelets at 100 would indicate that the supplement thinned your blood causing internal bleeding somehow, like for example blood in the stool, easy bruising. As a result of the bleeding your platelets got low, because your body could not replace them at the rate you were losing them. Same thing would happen if one took too much aspirin or fish oil.

Originally Posted by Vforcer2

Did you actually develop Polycethemia or did your RBC and H&H just go over the range a little? Did you have symptoms like fainting or dizzyness?

My HGB, HCT and RBC were elevated, but otherwise I felt fine.

Originally Posted by Vforcer2

If the visit goes well, I will let my pellets run down and supplement with other forms of T until they dissipate then begin a PCT to bring the boys back to action. If it does not go well I am getting my pellets again probably at the first of the month!

Sounds like a good plan.

[Vforcer2]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

I just got this today at the H2 group.

To: hypogonadism2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Hypogonadism] Re: Philip - cost of pellets


Hi Philip,

Think we exchanged notes before. Aren't you located in AZ?

1600 mg is good for a man that weighs 240 pounds according to my
doctors formula.

I weigh about 240 and get a total of 20 - 75 mg pellets every 4
months. I get a new set of pellets every 4 months to avoid a slump in
the level. It is my understanding the new pellets do not start to
dissolve efficiently until a week or so goes by.

On the East and West coast and in the larger cities, the prices are
higher than Augusta, GA where my next set of pellets would costs me
about $450. if it were not for medicare.

After a couple of weeks, expect to have a wonderful few weeks of easy
erections that will come back easy if you wish. I thought this was my
cure for age related ED but NO it wasn't. After 3 or so months, the ED
returned. I thought it would be great when I got the second set of
pellets. NOT SO. Doctor said it was inceasing T that caused it and
once stablilized this effect would go away.

ernestnolan

--- In hypogonadism2@ yahoogroups. com, "nort828" <nort828@... > wrote:
>
> Hi Philip,
> The doc put in 8 200mg pellets, so 1600 mg total. He said
> on this the first implementation, he puts in a couple more
> than usual because of the metabalizing effect of it being
> the first time. He will review the blood work in four weeks
> and again in four months. He had a chart showing how the
> testosterone level after four months is still quite acceptable,
> and said that most male patients go five months, maybe a
> week of two less. Anyway, his initial one time visit with
> me cost $200, this will no longer be necesary. He charged
> $200 for the surgical procedure and about $500 for the pellets.
> so the total was $900, and should be about $700 each time.
> I will keep you all posted!
> Norton
>

I don't have ED, however I don't understand why pellets would fix his ED the first time and not the second time unless it has something to do with a desensitization of the T receptors? If this were the case then I would think that guys on long term AAS cycles on 1 gram of T per week would have this problem.

Norton is getting hosed on the price of his pellets. He should be paying around $400 for that many pellets.

[Vforcer2]

Originally Posted by 1cc

Platelets at 100 would indicate that the supplement thinned your blood causing internal bleeding somehow, like for example blood in the stool, easy bruising. As a result of the bleeding your platelets got low, because your body could not replace them at the rate you were losing them. Same thing would happen if one took too much aspirin or fish oil.



My HGB, HCT and RBC were elevated, but otherwise I felt fine.



Sounds like a good plan.

My HRT doc says it is fine for those to be a little over the range. Iron overload is more of a concern to me. If you have poly then you will have symptoms of it. I have a old freind with it and he gets dizzy and passes out when he does not keep it in check.

[cpeil2]

[quote=1cc]Platelets at 100 would indicate that the supplement thinned your blood causing internal bleeding somehow, like for example blood in the stool, easy bruising. As a result of the bleeding your platelets got low, because your body could not replace them at the rate you were losing them. Same thing would happen if one took too much aspirin or fish oil.



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Reduced platelet production and/or increased platelet turnover can also cause low platelet count. I know a guy who had to have his spleen removed because of a chronically low platelet count.

My dad had an episode of extremely low platelet count. It was so low that he had to be admitted to the hospital for several days of platelet transfusions. His hematologist couldn't figure it out and finally chalked it up to an autoimmune reaction and gave him elephant doses of prednisone, after which his platelet count started to rise.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by Vforcer2

I don't have ED, however I don't understand why pellets would fix his ED the first time and not the second time unless it has something to do with a desensitization of the T receptors? If this were the case then I would think that guys on long term AAS cycles on 1 gram of T per week would have this problem.

Norton is getting hosed on the price of his pellets. He should be paying around $400 for that many pellets.

That is ernestnolan he is 78 yrs old and been on pellets for yrs. I keep telling him to have his E2 checked but he never does. We have a 82 yr old guy that did have his E2 tested and got it down and his moring wood came back he and his wife are still doing it.

[Vforcer2]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

That is ernestnolan he is 78 yrs old and been on pellets for yrs. I keep telling him to have his E2 checked but he never does. We have a 82 yr old guy that did have his E2 tested and got it down and his moring wood came back he and his wife are still doing it.

I wondered if E2 might be the culprit in his ED problems as well and not the pellets.

Tell your friends to come over to our board! That yahoo board is too hard to follow!

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by Vforcer2

I wondered if E2 might be the culprit in his ED problems as well and not the pellets.

Tell your friends to come over to our board! That yahoo board is too hard to follow!

O I tell them all the time but they don't come I thing the site scares them away they think it's about using steroids.