Arimidex used for raising LH

[cwoody123]

It has been about 5 weeks since i finished my 3 week Clomid cycle, here are my latest results:

Now LH 2.6 (1-10) Last month 9.0
Now FSH 2.0 (1-1) Last month 6.0
Now PSA 0.7 ug/l (0-2.5)
Now TSH 1.5 (0.3 - 5) Last month 3.5
Now T4 free 16.7 pmol (9-24)
Now T3 free 5.8 pmol (3.5-6.5)
Now Prolactin 111 nmol (0-400) Last month 147
Now Cortisol 324 nmol/l (unknown)
Now Albumin 44 g/l (34-48)
Now SHBG 44 nmol (13-71) Last month 34
Now Testosterone 20.2 (10-40) Last month 30.3
Now DHEA 8.7 umol/l (unknown)
Estrodial Last month 257 pmol was January was 80pmol (maybe a result of SERMS)

I used this testosteroene calculator (here)
These are the results:
Free Testosterone- 0.361 nmol/L = 1.78 %
Bioavailable Testosterone- 8.64 nmol/L = 42.8 %


For some reason estrodial has not been done this month and i am waiting on ACTH.

I was just wondering if Arimidex could be used long term for secondary hypogonadism as a LH stimulaor whilst keeping E2/SHBG down. If so what would be the long term effects of doing this?

My T seems to be at an ok for now, i will get it tested in another month time.

Thanks

[FYI777]

According to Phil, and it makes a lot of sense, clomid can throw E2 readings off on a blood test.Clomiphene being a weak estrogen I could see why. T1/2(halflife) of clomid is quite long(approx 5 days) so you would have to wait for it to clear the system completely to not register artificially high values. Not sure of how long you'd have to wait maybe someone else knows.

[pmgamer18]

SWALE aka Dr. John said how long you need to be off it but I can't find the post to be safe be off clomid 3 weeks then test E2.

[cwoody123]

I had been off Clomid for about 5 weeks when the second test was done. My SHBG is still a bit high which makes me think my E2 is still high. Do you think my E2 could be elevated by the sudden T jump rather than Clomid skewing the results? if so how long before my body balances out the the E2/SHBG levels or should i think about using Arimidex?

Thanks

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by cwoody123

I had been off Clomid for about 5 weeks when the second test was done. My SHBG is still a bit high which makes me think my E2 is still high. Do you think my E2 could be elevated by the sudden T jump rather than Clomid skewing the results? if so how long before my body balances out the the E2/SHBG levels or should i think about using Arimidex?

Thanks

I don't think it's a good idea to try to gauge E2 by how high SHBG is I have lower SHBG and higher E2.

[cwoody123]

Right i have a few labs back from Friday 4th:

LH 2.7

FSH 2.0

Estrodial 124

Alubmin 48

T3 6.2

T4 17.9

Still waiting on: Testosterone, SHBG, ACTH

My estrodial is still raised and it has been over 8 weeks since i finished my Clomid cycle, this is surely indicative of armotization, also i have noticed my nipples have got flabby latley and my body feels softer. i will phone back and see if other results are in but it looks as if there are problems with my e2.

What do you all think?

[pmgamer18]

I would try Indolplex/DIM to get your E2 down can you put in the ranges and units.
http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html
If you get this let me know and I will tell you how to take it.

Originally Posted by cwoody123

Right i have a few labs back from Friday 4th:

LH 2.7

FSH 2.0

Estrodial 124

Alubmin 48

T3 6.2

T4 17.9

Still waiting on: Testosterone, SHBG, ACTH

My estrodial is still raised and it has been over 8 weeks since i finished my Clomid cycle, this is surely indicative of armotization, also i have noticed my nipples have got flabby latley and my body feels softer. i will phone back and see if other results are in but it looks as if there are problems with my e2.

What do you all think?

[cwoody123]

I am sure i read some where on here that Dim does not work for lowering estrodial, i think it was the Primdol perfomance guy, i did a bottle of Indoplex Dim last month taking 100mg a day, mind you my estrodail was 257 then, i couldnt get the reference range but i think it converts to about 33 pg/ml, i have heard the sweet spot is around 20, is this true?

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by cwoody123

I am sure i read some where on here that Dim does not work for lowering estrodial, i think it was the Primdol perfomance guy, i did a bottle of Indoplex Dim last month taking 100mg a day, mind you my estrodail was 257 then, i couldnt get the reference range but i think it converts to about 33 pg/ml, i have heard the sweet spot is around 20, is this true?

I keep hearing this DIM does not lower E2 will it converts E2 to good E's that the liver can wash out easy. So thats lowering E2 my E2 on Indolplex/DIM went down and stayed down and if you go back doing a search you will read many a post of the success they had getting there E2 down and there ED getting much better.
http://www.dimfaq.com/site/diagram.htm

[cwoody123]

thanks mate, thats a great help! ;-)

[cwoody123]

Pmgamer i was just wondering what you think about this article on dim? http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=462263

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by cwoody123

Pmgamer i was just wondering what you think about this article on dim? http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=462263

Thre are this words in that article:

In order to claim that estradiol is decreased and that testosterone is increased, you would expect there to be some evidence of this. Well, there isn't.

[plymouth city]

Let us not forget that article was wrote 7 years ago, which in the antiaging/health field, is a lifetime ago.

Many of his points can be refuted today.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by cwoody123

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I was just wondering if Arimidex could be used long term for secondary hypogonadism as a LH stimulaor whilst keeping E2/SHBG down. If so what would be the long term effects of doing this?

My T seems to be at an ok for now, i will get it tested in another month time.

Thanks

Absolutely not. Long term pharm grade AI use as a treatment for secondary is a bad idea, given the importance of estrogen in vital organs and functions in the body, specifically the brain and heart.

Bad idea to sacrifice E for the sake of T. Thats like chopping off your left arm to improve your right arms strength.

If your clinically diagnosed as secondary, probably best to muster up and start taking T.

[Sunkist]

The article misses the point for most of us TRT middle agers. We are supplimenting T production already, thus the idea is not by definition increasing auto-T. The idea is to keep the T at the levels we want and not increase E, esp the more potent E's. ... something that just happens for us older guys. (I still do not subscribe to the only E2 is bad idea...I want them all in proper ratio.. and I am a ratio guy not totally a levels guy)

Anyway... DIM is good stuff, and the renal activity works for us in need to lowering E. With T elevated,anything and everything may/needs to be used in moderation by some of us with E problems (for elevated) too ( and for me it has to be natural). I use DIM and am happy, but I use other agents too.

Also, since I read studies all the time in my occupation , a note: Always look at who gets what from a study. One can make anything fly if money is involved. When a natural, easily-used, cheap substance works in non-coercive situations... I'd bet it works period. If the seven-nation study and saturated fat does not convince you, what can?