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Old 02-24-2006, 06:10 PM
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I am currently taking .5 grain of Armour every morning, but I have a question. Is the jump from 0.5 grain to 1.0 grain a large jump as far as its impact on ones levels?

The reason I ask is that I still have some hypothyroid symptoms. I am also getting tired of watching my “unibrow” dwindling to what is now about half an eyebrow above each eye.

Of course I wouldn't increase it without an ok from my physician, but I was wondering if an increase of that size would typically require more labs to be drawn or if it might be something that can be done based on anecdotal evidence such as how one feels.
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I am currently taking .5 grain of Armour every morning, but I have a question. Is the jump from 0.5 grain to 1.0 grain a large jump as far as its impact on ones levels?
From what I've heard, the body's response is not linear. What is more important are your clinical symptoms and your labs. If you have labs, please post them here with the ranges. If not, I suggest you do a full thyroid panel (T3 total and free, T4 total and free, TSH). That the only way you'll know how your body is reacting to the dose you're doing.

In my case, after each blood test, we increased the dose of Armour until the TSH dropped to an unacceptably low level then backed it down, even though the Free T3 and Free T4 didn't get as high as my doctor hoped. I'm now on 2.5 grains. Symptoms are 80% gone.
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why would you care about tsh if you have free t3 levels?

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From what I've heard, the body's response is not linear. What is more important are your clinical symptoms and your labs. If you have labs, please post them here with the ranges. If not, I suggest you do a full thyroid panel (T3 total and free, T4 total and free, TSH). That the only way you'll know how your body is reacting to the dose you're doing.

In my case, after each blood test, we increased the dose of Armour until the TSH dropped to an unacceptably low level then backed it down, even though the Free T3 and Free T4 didn't get as high as my doctor hoped. I'm now on 2.5 grains. Symptoms are 80% gone.
My wife's Dr. did the same thing.
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why would you care about tsh if you have free t3 levels?

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I'm not a physician, but I've asked a lot of questions. TSH is the stimulating hormone for the thyroid to produce the thyroid hormones. If we take too much supplemental thyroid and the TSH gets fully supressed, the thyroid will shut down and we would experience total thyroid failure. No point in prematurely killing off the thyroid gland.

It's a similar parallel to testosterone therapy. If we do only testosterone supplementation, the testicles shrink and eventually shut down. That's why we add HCG, which mimics the effect of LH (luteinizing hormone), "prompting" the testicles to produce testosterone and thus stay active. I haven't heard of a parallel substance that we can inject that will act in the same way as TSH.

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If you are going to take a second 30mg (1/2 grain) dose of Armour each day, split the dose.

Do not worry about your TSH levels. It has no bearing. Watch Free T4 and Free T3.
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Thanks everyone for the input!

howard-sd - I had a hunch that the body's response was not linear. That's why I was wondering if it was a large increase.

SWALE'S approach makes sense to me. I would think that free T3 and free T4 levels are what would be the important factor.
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How long does it take for T3 & T4 levels to even out after a change in dosage? Is it like Test, where you need to wait at least 3 weeks or so before you have labs drawn?
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If you are going to take a second 30mg (1/2 grain) dose of Armour each day, split the dose.

Do not worry about your TSH levels. It has no bearing. Watch Free T4 and Free T3.

Does that apply for any daily dosage of Armour? If you're taking 2.5 grains, should you be doing some of it in the morning and some in the afternoon?

I've often wondered about the very short half life of T3 and once per day dosing of Armour.

Does anyone have opinoins on Armour with or without food?
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If you take it sublingually, I don't think it would matter whether it was with food or not.
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