Men's Health Forum: This is a discussion on big descision to make within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; hey guys,
as some of the lads who have supported and advised me will remember, ive been holding out on ...
as some of the lads who have supported and advised me will remember, ive been holding out on trt because ive been trying to bank sperm.
im glad i waited, as after 6 months from my varicocele embolization, my sperm count has started to return to normal (2-3 million) which though lowish is better than the zero i had before the procedure.
so now the question is do i hold out longer, to wait and see if i can get even better improvments, and ultimately perhaps see if my balls can sort themselvev,es or should i go back on the trt.
the second part of my question is therefor whether hcg will be strong enough to support any testicular regrowth and improvment.
ie can i have my cake and eat it. get the benefits of trt, and let hcg do its job and promote testicular regrowth.
the problem is i dont know if hcg will be good enough to do that. the sensible person in me, thinks that as ive had improvments so far, it might be better to just wait longer and see what happens, without going on the trt.
for fertility,i would go with clomid contrary to what some mght say., with clomid you are producing lh naturally and causing no negative feedback as you would with hcg. clomid at 50mgs per day and then get tested. clomid does also have a small effect on fsh as well.
as some of the lads who have supported and advised me will remember, ive been holding out on trt because ive been trying to bank sperm.
im glad i waited, as after 6 months from my varicocele embolization, my sperm count has started to return to normal (2-3 million) which though lowish is better than the zero i had before the procedure.
so now the question is do i hold out longer, to wait and see if i can get even better improvments, and ultimately perhaps see if my balls can sort themselvev,es or should i go back on the trt.
the second part of my question is therefor whether hcg will be strong enough to support any testicular regrowth and improvment.
ie can i have my cake and eat it. get the benefits of trt, and let hcg do its job and promote testicular regrowth.
the problem is i dont know if hcg will be good enough to do that. the sensible person in me, thinks that as ive had improvments so far, it might be better to just wait longer and see what happens, without going on the trt.
what do you guys think
If you can and don't feel to bad I would wait longer you never know if you go back on TRT.
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as some of the lads who have supported and advised me will remember, ive been holding out on trt because ive been trying to bank sperm.
im glad i waited, as after 6 months from my varicocele embolization, my sperm count has started to return to normal (2-3 million) which though lowish is better than the zero i had before the procedure.
so now the question is do i hold out longer, to wait and see if i can get even better improvments, and ultimately perhaps see if my balls can sort themselvev,es or should i go back on the trt.
With the results you recently got; I would wait and see. I would gladly invest 6 months of waiting to see if my body could restart itself. Even if it didn't work out the way you wanted, you will have the absolute certainty that you gave it its best shot.
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the second part of my question is therefor whether hcg will be strong enough to support any testicular regrowth and improvment.
ie can i have my cake and eat it. get the benefits of trt, and let hcg do its job and promote testicular regrowth.
the problem is i dont know if hcg will be good enough to do that. the sensible person in me, thinks that as ive had improvments so far, it might be better to just wait longer and see what happens, without going on the trt.
what do you guys think
1. I would only start using HCG after the extra 6 months of waiting.
2. The reaction one has to HCG depends on each individual case. I have used HCG for some years now. If have seen men that react extremely well to it, their balls get bigger and start producing a lot of T. Their T-levels spike at even small dosages of HCG. But there are other where the HCG just cannot stimulate the testes enough. In my case, mega-dosages of HCG (= kick start protocol: 1500IU every 3 days for a few weeks) only got my T-levels up from 220 ng/dl to 410 ng/dl. So I use the HCG for testicular stimulation (keeping the cells I have left stimulated and preventing the testicular atrophy), but I can't use it as a standalone therapy, nor will it be powerfull enough to restart me again... Bottom line: nobody can tell you how your body will react to the HCG: you'll have to test it and then...wait and see.
the general consensus seems to be that each man is different, and that hcg may not be strong enough to give my balls what they need (if there is going to be any improvment.
in any event ive banked sperm so now i can try out a few things like DIM without worrying about fertility too much at present
Masterpp,
I am new to the MESO boards but might be able to help here to give you my perspective. My wife and I were trying for over 2 years to have another child (we have a son) and we always thought it was her bc she had some female issues. Went to the fertility doc. Turned out I was secondary hypo as well. My sperm analysis showed like 10 million in one count and 20 in another. Very low according to the fert doc. He put me on clomid for a few weeks. I got dizzy with headaches etc. He then put me on HCG 10,000ius a week and WOW what a difference. Libido came back, balls filled back out, etc. Did another sperm analysis after like 6-8 weeks and I was up to 98 million. Got my wife pregnant within 3 months of going on HCG! I did not notice any negative sides on HCG except some sore nipples occasionally. I thought the upsides of HCG were awesome - no depression, increasse in libido, workouts awesome, etc. Bottom line: it got my testicles working normal again and i had my sex life back. As I read on here, I don't know if it will help you bc we are all different but I would definitely recommend you try it before giving up. Our fertility doc did not want me near testosterone until we were pregnant and my wife was through her first trimester. He said it might permanently shut my testes down. emphasis on might. We ended up not needing to bank sperm but were going to do IVF if needed. Are you banking sperm for the future or are you trying to have children now? BTW, I am now on TRT. On 10% compound gel 1mg a day plus 125ius of HCG daily. I hope this helps you. Feel free to ask more questions. I am happy to try to help you as much as I can! Having a child is an incredible blessing. thanks, Hank
im actually only 19
so banking was a big decision to make, but im glad i did because now i can experiment a little.
basically after a procedure i had 6 months ago, i have felt some testicular improvments. my concern is that hcg wont be strong enough to maintain these developments
if i could carry on feeling the same improvments im getting at the moment, slowly improving sperm count, increasing testicular size, then i would definately go on hcg,. my concern is that the hcg wont be strong/efficient enough to give me the same improvments that i am feeling as a result of the improved blood flow to my testis
guys im so sorry to be taking up time and bandwidth ect, but i really need your advice and a straight ish answer.
do you think that my supposed testicular improvments will continue under with hcg/trt. will the hcg be enough to maintain the stimulation and regeneration i am experiencing at the moment, because if you dont think it will, i will stay clear of trt, despite its obviouse benefits.
Masterpp,
I am new to the MESO boards but might be able to help here to give you my perspective. My wife and I were trying for over 2 years to have another child (we have a son) and we always thought it was her bc she had some female issues. Went to the fertility doc. Turned out I was secondary hypo as well. My sperm analysis showed like 10 million in one count and 20 in another. Very low according to the fert doc. He put me on clomid for a few weeks. I got dizzy with headaches etc. He then put me on HCG 10,000ius a week and WOW what a difference. Libido came back, balls filled back out, etc. Did another sperm analysis after like 6-8 weeks and I was up to 98 million. Got my wife pregnant within 3 months of going on HCG! I did not notice any negative sides on HCG except some sore nipples occasionally. I thought the upsides of HCG were awesome - no depression, increasse in libido, workouts awesome, etc. Bottom line: it got my testicles working normal again and i had my sex life back. As I read on here, I don't know if it will help you bc we are all different but I would definitely recommend you try it before giving up. Our fertility doc did not want me near testosterone until we were pregnant and my wife was through her first trimester. He said it might permanently shut my testes down. emphasis on might. We ended up not needing to bank sperm but were going to do IVF if needed. Are you banking sperm for the future or are you trying to have children now? BTW, I am now on TRT. On 10% compound gel 1mg a day plus 125ius of HCG daily. I hope this helps you. Feel free to ask more questions. I am happy to try to help you as much as I can! Having a child is an incredible blessing. thanks, Hank
How long were you on 10000 ius of hCG a week for? How much hCG were you taking each day?
Looks like high dosages of hCG can be productive.
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