Clomid verus HCG - Why didn't HCG work?

[bullmastiff]

I used clomid + some selegiline and bumped my total T up from 320 to 825 and my free T went up to about the mid range which also was a nice jump.
I didn't measure my estradiol. Clomid was used at 25 mg a day.

I thought that if you got a good boost from clomid you should do well on HCG.

Well I purchased a compounded HCG from a compounding pharmacy. I did three shots a week at 500 iu. When I got retested my testosterone went from 320 to 450 and my estradiol went from about 20 to 33. Free testosterone was just about the same. It was very low.

What went wrong? Is an estradiol level of 33 high enough to shut down the conversion of total T to free T. You also would have thought my total T would have been much higher after the good clomid results. I'm wondering if there was a problem with the compounded HCG? I used the subq method of injection around the belly area.

If I try HCG again I will go with one of the name brands such as Novarell.

[DavidZ]

Originally Posted by bullmastiff

I thought that if you got a good boost from clomid you should do well on HCG.

That's right.

Originally Posted by bullmastiff

Well I purchased a compounded HCG from a compounding pharmacy.

Really? That's unusual. Did it come in two vials? Or was it already in solution? Was it properly refridgerated at all times?

Originally Posted by bullmastiff

I did three shots a week at 500 iu. When I got retested my testosterone went from 320 to 450 and my estradiol went from about 20 to 33. Free testosterone was just about the same. It was very low. What went wrong?

My guess is that it wasn't properly prepared or stored.

Originally Posted by bullmastiff

If I try HCG again I will go with one of the name brands such as Novarell.

Good idea.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by bullmastiff

I used clomid + some selegiline and bumped my total T up from 320 to 825 and my free T went up to about the mid range which also was a nice jump.
I didn't measure my estradiol. Clomid was used at 25 mg a day.

I thought that if you got a good boost from clomid you should do well on HCG.

Well I purchased a compounded HCG from a compounding pharmacy. I did three shots a week at 500 iu. When I got retested my testosterone went from 320 to 450 and my estradiol went from about 20 to 33. Free testosterone was just about the same. It was very low.

What went wrong? Is an estradiol level of 33 high enough to shut down the conversion of total T to free T. You also would have thought my total T would have been much higher after the good clomid results. I'm wondering if there was a problem with the compounded HCG? I used the subq method of injection around the belly area.

If I try HCG again I will go with one of the name brands such as Novarell.

I feel you did not give the HCG time to work I was on 150 mgs. of Depo T shots every week and added HCG 500 IU's 3 x's a week and it took over 15 shots before my Testis started making more T. My blood test went up from 650 to 1087 adding HCG. You can test your HCG with a good pregnant test put a few drops on the this and if it says your pregnant it is good. Also I read the Dr. John said you can't get an accurate Estradiol test until your off Clomid for some time I can't remember how long but it was more then 4 weeks. So if your not off it long enough your test will not be accurate.

[bullmastiff]

I believe I properly prepared it as per mixing intructions. I also kept it refrigerated. I've heard that guys say they get morning sickness or a feeling of well being from it. Never got either. I wonder if subq belly shots are not the best place to inject? I was injecting into an area where I have a lot of fat.

[1cc]

Originally Posted by bullmastiff

I believe I properly prepared it as per mixing intructions. I also kept it refrigerated. I've heard that guys say they get morning sickness or a feeling of well being from it. Never got either. I wonder if subq belly shots are not the best place to inject? I was injecting into an area where I have a lot of fat.

Try Novarel, to be on the safe side. Novarel makes me nauseas (not much, but you can feel that something has changed), which means it's potent, but APP doesn't for some reason. And this is at only 100iu per day.

[chap]

maybe the higher e2 was due to aromatisation of increased test at different timeframes

that is the biggest problem I theorize with hcg, it is not a time released drug like natural LH, clomid would allow the bodies natural rhythm to still be pulsatile

I would expect that with 3 day a week dosing you would still see some major peaks and valleys through the day and through the week

perhaps your testosterone was higher on a different day or hour when you blood tested

[dano79]

You mean it can take weeks or even months to see results in reducing atrophy?

[chap]

yeah, the testicles need time to get going again

for me clomid was way better for testicle size than hcg, probably twice as big

[hackskii]

Novarel is awesome. It starts working pretty fast at 500iu, well it did for me anyway.
I am using pregnyl right now and I really feel it does not give you the same effects dose for dose.
It seems to work on atrophy better for me at night time, from what I have noticed anyway.
Hear 1000iu of Vitamin E helps things with the HCG.

Sub-Q or IM both are fine.

I am 7 days in HCG administration and there is noticible size diffrence but not full size.
I am going to use this for 21 days, if at that time I am not seing the results I am looking for I am going to up the dose some.

I had pretty bad atrophy, they are working their way back but I honestly thought the novarel was good stuff and stronger than pregnyl, (seemed that way to me).

Grab that test kit that only takes 4 drops. One of mine was negative and one was positive.

Alot of BS going around with HCG lately and if I can get my hands on some novarel I would for sure do that.

[Vforcer2]

After being off T for months, I decided to try and use Noverell at 200 mg per day for an HCG only protocol for one month. I then got blood tested and my T only went up from 452 to 467 (241-827) and Free T went from 9.3 to 13.4 (8.7-25.1). E2 jumped from 17 to 33.

I was afraid of to up the dosage any further for fear of causing testicular desnsitization and having E2 jump even farther. I did like the way I felt on HCG, and interestingly the dry skin patches on my face became nice and smooth.

I was really surprised that I did not respond much better to HCG.