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Like you, I took a 3-4 DIM pills a day, against the recommendations of others on ...
Like you, I took a 3-4 DIM pills a day, against the recommendations of others on this board, who said that one or even one-half a DIM capsule is the proper dosage. I assumed that an over-the-counter supp could not possibly affect estrogen that much. But I was wrong, because taking 3-4 DIM pills a day reduced my estrogen to below 10, which is too low and not healthy. Unless you have experience that you need that many DIM pills, you might want to lighten up on the does.
What size pills and what kind were you taking?
Was that Indolplex?
If you took 4 pills of Indolplex that is a lot.
My DIM is from Life Extension Foundation. Two of my pills equals one indolplex.
I am taking 3 LEF DIM (equivalent to 1.5 pils of Indolplex), considering to take forth.
DIM is pretty potent even though it's herbal. Phil has found a good one with this one, 1 tablet is more than enough to give me an upset stomach/headaches. I am sticking to half a tablet but will move up to a full one while using HCG.
What size pills and what kind were you taking?
Was that Indolplex?
If you took 4 pills of Indolplex that is a lot.
My DIM is from Life Extension Foundation. Two of my pills equals one indolplex.
I am taking 3 LEF DIM (equivalent to 1.5 pils of Indolplex), considering to take forth.
Was/am using Nature's Way, 100 mg of DIM complex per capsule. I'm doing a half-cap a day. It got my estrogen down within a couple of weeks. I wonder why people would use Arimidex or similar if they can get a presumably safer and cheaper pill over the counter.
Was/am using Nature's Way, 100 mg of DIM complex per capsule. I'm doing a half-cap a day. It got my estrogen down within a couple of weeks. I wonder why people would use Arimidex or similar if they can get a presumably safer and cheaper pill over the counter.
There is some mystery on how DIM is labeled. Rather than stating the amount of DIM in the pill they say that the pill contains say 25% of DIM.
So when comparing different brands, even assuming the same quality, one have to be carefull.
Nature's Way DIM-plus™ 60 Capsule http://store.nationalsupplementcenter.com/nw14810.html
How much of actual DIM is in the pill you are taking I am not able to figure out from their description.
But they advice to take 2x2=4 pilld daily and allow to double that dose for intensive use.
TNature's Way DIM-plus™ 60 Capsule http://store.nationalsupplementcenter.com/nw14810.html
How much of actual DIM is in the pill you are taking I am not able to figure out from their description.
But they advice to take 2x2=4 pilld daily and allow to double that dose for intensive use.
I followed their advice for "intensive" use and took 8 pills a day. That reduced my estrogen to almost zero (below 10). I think Nature's Way needs to re-evaluate their dosage recommendations. Their caps are 100 mg DIM "complex" ("complex" meaning 25% real DIM, like most others). Since most DIM caps are 120 mg of the "complex" (DIM plus substances which make it bioavailable), Nautre's Way caps are about 80% as potent as the others recommended here. I am doing fine with a half a cap a day, although breaking open the capsule is a bit clumsy.
I followed their advice for "intensive" use and took 8 pills a day. That reduced my estrogen to almost zero (below 10). I think Nature's Way needs to re-evaluate their dosage recommendations. Their caps are 100 mg DIM "complex" ("complex" meaning 25% real DIM, like most others). Since most DIM caps are 120 mg of the "complex" (DIM plus substances which make it bioavailable), Nautre's Way caps are about 80% as potent as the others recommended here. I am doing fine with a half a cap a day, although breaking open the capsule is a bit clumsy.
I am really confused on the DIM issue.
The official line is that it does not reduce estrogens but regulate it, converts bad to good.
But we by now know, if one takes too much he end up with low E2 level and no erection.
now....
how to square above, with the (supposedly) only true and true DIM from Dr Zeligs. His pills have a real lot of DIM, 5x of Indolplex, and he recomends to use 2 pils, that is like 10 indolplex pills daily.
Also the DIM Dr John uses, made by Nick's Delgado, Estroblock
100mg of pure DIM plus 50mg of I3C, take every night.
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I would hope Dr Marianco got in here.
I assume he meant E2 rather than (total) estrogen, in which case there's no contradiction.
drp, thanks for posting the lab numbers. I'd been hoping to see some quantitative reports in addition to the less reliable morning wood/libido results most have posted.
I am really confused on the DIM issue.
The official line is that it does not reduce estrogens but regulate it, converts bad to good.
But we by now know, if one takes too much he end up with low E2 level and no erection.
now....
how to square above, with the (supposedly) only true and true DIM from Dr Zeligs. H
I have read other posts saying how E2 is reduced with DIM. I think that's pretty standard.
As to the "only true DIM from Dr Z," I must confess I am a cynic when it comes to the branding of vitamins or other generic substances. Pure DIM is pure DIM. The binding of pure DIM to a bioavailable form (25%/75% ratio) is cheap, simple and standardized, the various "patents" notwithstanding. If Dr Z's DIM is working for you, that's cool, but as far as I am concerened, I refuse to pay double, triple or more for what are essentially standardized products. I know others have said that this brand is good or that brand is bad, but I got the cheapest DIM I could find (Nature's Way) from a Swanson's internet vitamin sale, and it certainly did the trick for me.
I have read other posts saying how E2 is reduced with DIM. I think that's pretty standard.
As to the "only true DIM from Dr Z," I must confess I am a cynic when it comes to the branding of vitamins or other generic substances. Pure DIM is pure DIM. The binding of pure DIM to a bioavailable form (25%/75% ratio) is cheap, simple and standardized, the various "patents" notwithstanding. If Dr Z's DIM is working for you, that's cool, but as far as I am concerened, I refuse to pay double, triple or more for what are essentially standardized products. I know others have said that this brand is good or that brand is bad, but I got the cheapest DIM I could find (Nature's Way) from a Swanson's internet vitamin sale, and it certainly did the trick for me.
Money is important factor, but at the moment it is not about money, it is about the amount of DIM in different brands. It is important to know because, usualy one do not want to take more than one pill of Indolplex, often half is enough.
I am taking Dual-Action from LEF, two pills equal one of Indolplex.
In other brands either the content is not described adequately or they actually have 5x or 10x the amount, people may get in trouble using that much DIM.
Money is important factor, but at the moment it is not about money, it is about the amount of DIM in different brands.
Most (if not all brands) specify the milligrams of DIM compound as well as the percentage of pure DIM to bioavailable product (almost always 25%/75%). But there are many like you who swear that some brands are better than others. From my experience, I am not convinced.
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