Men's Health Forum: This is a discussion on day one of attempting to restart within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; Good thread. Bump.........
well it is end of the day 7, just got back from workout, doing a total body routine light for the first 1/2 of pct to go easy on myself, but I thought the exercise stimulation is a good idea anyway.... workout was great actually, feel really good, if it wasn't for the no libido I would be totally happy feeling this way all the time... oh, I took 500mg of tribulus today, the only supplement other than a multivitamin, just to keep the record straight
someone I talked to has said that nolvadex dampens libido in many people, have you guys heard that before? I am wondering if perhaps I am producing some good numbers already and yet my libido is down due to the serms? I feel too good to be someone with no testosterone flowing, and workout strength seemed pretty good too..... I wish I could do weekly free test etc. tests but I will probably only be able to afford one so I am not sure at what point I will do a blood test
I would say that 100mgs of clomid and 20 mgs of Nolvadex would inhibit your libido.
Even though SERMS are meant to block the estrogen receptor, they are weak estrogens, so if you take enough of them they may start to act like the more potent estrogens, thus causing the negative effects on the male libido.
Swale did say that 50mgs of clomid was a "whalloping dose" So the combination of both these medications at the dosages you are taking may indeed be having this effect.
anyway, as I have tapered down, late last night I actually felt a very small stirring of libido and was able to orgasm and ejaculate, which was a first since I stopped the hcg a few weeks ago. So this was very encouraging. It was difficult to get there, serms fault maybe? or low test high prolactin? not sure
today is day 9, 100 mg clomid, 20 mg nolva... .last day of this dose, taper down tomorrow
morning wood great again, feel good, no feelings of libido this morning
I'm 35, and been on trt for about a year. This protocol won't be popular in this forum, but I feel great in every aspect.
I take 25mgs. clomid mon/wed/fri, along with .5 arimidex on the same days.
My TT stays at 850/900, (241-827). 25 mgs. of clomid is very powerful.
Every 2 months I switch to 5gms. androgel, and 250 iu. hcg 3x a week, along with arimidex.
That is what my doc has me do. I tried almost every form of trt and this has been the best for me.
All bloodwork has been good. I think small doses of clomid may go a long way for some with minimal to no sides. Just my 2 cents.
just curious as to why even bother switching to the gel?
I have thought about the intermittent SERM use and whether it will 'coax' the pituitary to produce normal amounts of LH even in between doses.
The biggest thing is how 'well' I feel on this protocal compared to the trt.
My doc thinks it is best to come off the clomid, even at a low dose, for a period of time. Hcg alone will not bring my levels up high enough, at a reasonable dose.
My libido is great at .25 3x a week. No sides.
50 mgs. or greater inhibit libido in my case. Oddly enough, my libido is greatist at night/evening, which is not a problem for my wife...lol.
The biggest drawback that Swale has said is that you can't get an accurate E-2 lab on clomid. My doc disagrees. It is what it is. I go by how I feel.
I am reading this with much interest.
So chap you are getting morning wood?
That is deffo a good thing.
Even ejacked is a good thing.
Out of curiosity was that porn or fantasize?
Just asking because men with low test levels still can ejaculate with porn but have problems when fantasizing.
Makes sense to me.
Id say if you are fantasizing and having ejaculations then this is a very good thing.
I am on day 5 of recovery myself.
How long are you going to run the clomid and nolvadex for?
afternoon today and thought I'd post an update, libido is unmistakenly coming back!! Became erect without too much difficulty this afternoon, still no major urge or anything, but the improvement in function so rapidly is amazingly encouraging!
As far as the fantasizing questions, I think it is all a matter of degrees, when your libido is skyhigh you can look at an ugly woman and get turned on, when your libido is bottomed out you need the girl to be extremely arousing just to get interested.
I am not sure what my protocal will be as I continue... I am going to run 50mg clomid/20 mg nolva starting tomorrow and coast with that for a bit, then taper that down too.... I don't want to quit too soon because I have read that a 2 month run seemed to result in good numbers persisting for long after.
Re: day one of attempting to restart 
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