Deca & Test for HRT

[safetyguy]

All,

Wondering if anyone can give a definitive answer to the negatives of using both deca and test for HRT (particularly in doses <100mg/week). Seems as though the negatives of deca are off set by test when used in combination. All I have read so far indicates that deca has no place in HRT – but never with an explanation. And yes, I have read about the negatives of deca on sex drive but usually at fairly high doses >400mg/week (so is that the only potential negative while on HRT?).

Also, has anyone had any experience of using them together (compounded) and then backing off the deca and going with test only? If so what were your subjective (and labs if you did them) findings?

Thx guys!

[hackskii]

I have an older friend that did some small amount of deca and had some pretty good suppression of the HPTA.

My brother was shutdown for almost 1 year after a Deca only cycle.

If the body produces testosterone, why would anyone supplement a hormone that the body does not manufacture?

I mean, if you were low thyroid then sure replace T3/T4

I will give you an example.
I did a short small cycle of winstrol and it destroyed my lipid profile.
Very low HDL and very very high triglycerides.
My Dr. asked me strait up "What the hell have you been doing?"
He knew something was up just by my blood work.

Men with low test levels can have low HDL levels.
Men that take testosterone (abuse) can have low HDL levels too.

I am on HRT (bioidentical) right now and I feel great.

[tres]

great question...but u wont get a real answer here.
it is obvious that deca is a useful drug ,here in fl. there are many dr's that use it for muscle wasteing and joint pain.
I have asked the same question here ,but all just like to bash the unknown.
I think it must be beneficial to a guy with aches and pains is small doses,and who knows lower your test dose while on the deca then raise up up when u stop deca..who cares about hpta restoration if your are a trt guy!

[hackskii]

But what if you were to go on TRT due to shutdown from gear?

If deca can shut you down for long periods of time then supplementing test might be necessary for lipid profile and muscle wasting.
The heart is a big muscle.

Sure Deca is good for joints but so is EFA's, they happen to be one of the best anti-inflamitory substances you can ever take, not to mention fat loss and possible muscle gains, eicasinoid production, prostaglandin production, depression, immune system, lipid profile.

What if the joint stiffness was due to toxcicity in the body?
That can make your joints stiff too.
It might not even be anything hormonal, maybe it might be diet related.
That is like trying to ballance your checkbook with your Mastercard

I can see the benefits outweighed by the possible sides.

I dont think any credable HRT/TRT Dr. would perscribing Deca.
Oh, dont get me wrong, I do know a place In Florida that does perscribe anything that you have the money to pay for, ANYTHING!

[Weatherlite]

To put it simply, TRT is TESTOSTERONE replacement...so Deca wouldn't fit into that category. It COULD possibly fit into HRT because Nandrolone (deca is Nadrolone Decanoate) is a hormone produced by the body. If you were deficient in it then it could be prescribed.

Now, from what I have read (haven't done a lot of research on it) there is 1/20th the amount of Deca as compared to Test in the body. So, IF you were replacing it due to a legitimate need you would be taking a whole hell of a lot less, not the same dose, as T.

Now then, IMO there could be a place for Deca in some patients who are experiencing muscle wasting diseases (know an HIV pos guy who uses it and it has worked wonders for him) and for someone with joint problems. So, there are legit uses out there but I doubt that there would be many cases in which it would be a part of legit HRT.

[safetyguy]

Guys,

So it seems to me then that deca really has no place in TRT for the simple reason that it is not T. That being said it may have a place in HRT and most definitely has its place with cycling for BB. So I ask a follow up question: Given that one is on TRT and an active athlete – but not interested in cycling for BB purposes - what would be a decent dose (or range) for supplementing with deca. One suggested about 1/20 the amount of T – seems low but then again I don’t really know enough about the subject. Perhaps with a willing Dr. one could get two separate scripts – one for T and one for deca (no compounding) stack them say at soemthing like 100mg T and 10 – 20 mg deca. Or does such a low dose of deca have absolutely no effect at all and therefore why bother. I am beginning to think why bother at all and just stick with an optimum level of T.

[tres]

a friend of mine was a college quaterback, is now 37 has been batteling low t and hip pain for years.
after 2 years of trt and constant hip pain his dr put him on 50mgs of deca wk...now he is back to doing cardio and feels great he claims. no clue of his trt regimin.

[hackskii]

Originally Posted by tres

a friend of mine was a college quaterback, is now 37 has been batteling low t and hip pain for years.
after 2 years of trt and constant hip pain his dr put him on 50mgs of deca wk...now he is back to doing cardio and feels great he claims. no clue of his trt regimin.

Thats interesting.
I myself tend to avoid Deca like the plague, Me and my identical twin brother had severe shutdown for almost a year from a Deca only cycle.
Before you say, I know, I know deca only cycles should never be done, but we both did and had some severe shutdown of the HPTA.

Test only cycles do not shut me down compared to the DECA.

Testicular atrophy months later after being clean.
This is why "I" am dead set against Deca.

Had another friend that did a Deca only cycle, very low dose like 200mg a week and he tapered up and down and he too had some severe shutdown.

Guess some will suffer from this and some wont.

But low test levels from the shutdown far outweighed the benefits of the deca cycle.
That is just me tho and some guys dont have this problem.

Also would like to mention that HCG and clomid were used for PCT.
Sadly 3 months later the atrophy set in kindof hard.

This is why I am so dead set against Deca cycles and deca altogether.

Androstenedione is also a hormone but I don't recall anyone supplementing this one either

[SPE]

Originally Posted by hackskii

Thats interesting.
I myself tend to avoid Deca like the plague, Me and my identical twin brother had severe shutdown for almost a year from a Deca only cycle.
Before you say, I know, I know deca only cycles should never be done, but we both did and had some severe shutdown of the HPTA.

Test only cycles do not shut me down compared to the DECA.

Testicular atrophy months later after being clean.
This is why "I" am dead set against Deca.

Had another friend that did a Deca only cycle, very low dose like 200mg a week and he tapered up and down and he too had some severe shutdown.

Guess some will suffer from this and some wont.

But low test levels from the shutdown far outweighed the benefits of the deca cycle.
That is just me tho and some guys dont have this problem.

Also would like to mention that HCG and clomid were used for PCT.
Sadly 3 months later the atrophy set in kindof hard.

This is why I am so dead set against Deca cycles and deca altogether.

Androstenedione is also a hormone but I don't recall anyone supplementing this one either

Actually I believe Sunkist supplements with it.

[tres]

why all the talk about hpta shutdown?
if you need trt who cares?