Men's Health Forum: This is a discussion on Depression, HPA axis, lowered testosterone levels? within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; Originally Posted by MacDonnell
Denada, Sargovar. Like I said, a lot of guys would kill to look like that, so ...
Denada, Sargovar. Like I said, a lot of guys would kill to look like that, so do not despair. You are right, however. I think it IS difficult to build a weight lifter's physique with a T level of 517, but maybe not impossible. Don't give up. Keep doing what you're doing, and get your labs done. You might have a very easy case which could be cleared up in no time. You just don't know yet, but try not to worry about it. I'm hoping that if you get your hormones in check, your depression/brain fog could either diminish or disappear totally. I feel your pain. I go through periods of major brain fog, and it's definitely not fun. For the past couple of months, I've been on a new regimen, but frankly, I feel worse. So, obviously this is not working - Am looking forward to getting my 24-hour urinalysis results back. Can hardly wait to see how bad my numbers look! Okay, who is being negative now? I'm thinking the answer for me will be shots. I do not seem to do well on gels - I'm a human DHT and estrogen conversion plant! Strangely though, my E2 is low. (It's the other estrogens that are high.) Anyway, hang in there dude. Will let you know the results of my next labs.
Mac
Barking the wrong tree.
When adjusting E2 use (gingerly) Arimidex, or better LiquiDex, Use insulin syringe with cut off needle with a nail clipper. 25 units = 1/4pill
When other estrogens are high, use DIM (compound).
Do not use DIM alone, such as Indolplex.
I use DIM from LEF, DualAction, 6 pills, after six months I am trying if 4 pills is enough.
Also 2 pills of TMG,
This are links to them: http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00969.html http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00359.html
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Oct06(LabCorp)
Total Estrogens------------------------------ ---260 pg/mL (40-115)
estrone, serum------------------------------- ----78 pg/mL (12-72)
Estradiol, sensitive--------------------------- ----27 pg/mL (3-70)
The best way to get over stress and depression is to take a break from your regular schedule, go out, and take good sleep. This helps in clearing the mind and try consulting a specialist who can suggest you as how you can get over your problem. There are various prescription drugs to get over anxiety and depression, but these should only be used in accordance with the instruction of a physician. There is a lot of fake selling of such medicines on internet, so before you can order it online just make sure it is a real pharmacy.
Are you in the UK? If so, you may want to contact Megazoid about a pretty decent doc. in London named Caruthers, I think? If you are near Belgium, there is another VERY good doc. there apparently. Your case seems very similar to what mine was like at your age. I also remember getting my T checked when I was 21. It was 550...and of course, the endo said that was in range and perfectly normal. We all, on this board, realize that is not always the case. My advice to you is to try to get this "fixed" now while you're young. Unfortunately, it usually just gets worse as we age. I know how you feel about starting HRT at such a young age. I hope you don't have to do that, but if you do, it's not the worst thing in the world. Perhaps, like you said, HCG or Nolva will do the trick. Good luck with that. As far as your depression is concerned, if you're REALLY feeling bad and just trying to make it through life, you may have to go on meds for a while. Don't everybody start beating me up now! I realize that antidepressants are oftentimes, just "bandaids" and don't address real problems (which in your case, could very well be hormonal). However, if you need something to "get you through" in a really difficult period, don't be afraid to use these. Have you ever tried Wellbutrin, Serzone, or Remeron? All of these work quite well w/ zero to VERY few sexual sides. It may take you a while to get your hormones in check. Until that happens, you may want to try one of these if you find yourself going through a very difficult period. Good luck with everything, buddy.
Mac
Who's that doctor in Belgium you are talking about is that doctor Hertoghe? I'm going to see him in a month if I can afford it.
About antidepressants. It was SSRI's that brought on this low T symptoms. Biggest mistake of my life. I think if anyone gets erection problems on SSRI's they should go off them immediatly. I gues MAOI, Wellbutrin, remeron and serzone are another story.
Re: Depression, HPA axis, lowered testosterone levels? 
Don't give up. Keep doing what you're doing, and get your labs done. You might have a very easy case which could be cleared up in no time. You just don't know yet, but try not to worry about it. I'm hoping that if you get your hormones in check, your depression/brain fog could either diminish or disappear totally. I feel your pain. I go through periods of major brain fog, and it's definitely not fun.
For the past couple of months, I've been on a new regimen, but frankly, I feel worse. So, obviously this is not working - Am looking forward to getting my 24-hour urinalysis results back. Can hardly wait to see how bad my numbers look! Okay, who is being negative now? 
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