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Just curious. Although I've discontinued using hcg - I'm seeking the advice of a new physician, the brief time that I used hcg for 5 days seemed to have a positive affect on my libido.
There are (at least) two mechanisms going on. First, it produces rapid accelerations in serum androgen levels. We notice not just the absolute concentration of testosterone, but also (and sometimes moreso), the DIRECTION it is traveling in. That is why TRT dosage increases usually bring robust libido. If we have gone to above normal range, the libido will then fall off again.
I have come to think we have LH receptors in the more peripheral (emotional) centers of the brain. No proof, it just seems that way. Maybe someone else has some related information.
There are (at least) two mechanisms going on. First, it produces rapid accelerations in serum androgen levels.
Doesn't a T shot do the same?
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We notice not just the absolute concentration of testosterone, but also (and sometimes moreso), the DIRECTION it is traveling in. That is why TRT dosage increases usually bring robust libido.
Would you please explain/elaborate on what you mean by DIRECTION? Are you saying it goes to the brain?
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If we have gone to above normal range, the libido will then fall off again.
Isn't that because too much T results in too much E2; and too much E2 reduces libido?
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I have come to think we have LH receptors in the more peripheral (emotional) centers of the brain. No proof, it just seems that way. Maybe someone else has some related information.
I don't have any information for you on that.
However, the way I look at it, it's better to have the testicles working than to put them to sleep. That's simplistic, but it just makes sense to keep them working. I suspect that someday someone will eventually discover a scientific reason why it's better for you. In the meantime, I'm sticking with HCG.
No, just T does not do the same things. They are completely different.
"Direction" means increasing or decreasing serum hormone concentrations.
Like I said, when T goes too high, libido eventually falls off, and you are left with less than you started with. E is a different, and often contributory, issue.
I added in HCG to traditional TRT to bring the benefits of both. I have achieved the same serum androgen levels in men with test cyp or test gel they had on just HCG, and all report they felt better on the testosterone. THEN, when I added in HCG, they felt even better. You are limiting yourself with just HCG. HCG alone simply does not bring the benefits T does. Try it, you will see.
See my HCG Protocol sticky for other benefits of adding regular, small dose HCG to traditional TRT. The number one Anti-Aging Medicine doctor in America, Ron Rothenberg, MD, emailed me last November to tell me he is now using my HCG Protocol.
There obviously is more to TRT than just serum androgen levels.
I m 62 play basketball and tennis and am using HGH and TRT to maintain strength and sexual funcitoning. After a wonderful 5 months my T Gel caused Estrogen to rise and eventually I lost most sexual functioning and even Arimidex didnt correct the sexual funcitoning so my doc wants me to take once per week HCG 2500 u sub cu to stimulate the testes to produce T. My question is what is your protocol for using T with HCG? Do you also continue using Arimidex to supress E.
Many thanks for what you are doing for all of us who want to stay active and functioning as we age.
What do you mean arimidex was unable to correct the problem? If the problem is indeed high e2 then what is the issue? HCG should be used by you at least twice a week 250 ius per injection.
No, just T does not do the same things. They are completely different.
"Direction" means increasing or decreasing serum hormone concentrations.
Like I said, when T goes too high, libido eventually falls off, and you are left with less than you started with. E is a different, and often contributory, issue.
I added in HCG to traditional TRT to bring the benefits of both. I have achieved the same serum androgen levels in men with test cyp or test gel they had on just HCG, and all report they felt better on the testosterone. THEN, when I added in HCG, they felt even better. You are limiting yourself with just HCG. HCG alone simply does not bring the benefits T does. Try it, you will see.
See my HCG Protocol sticky for other benefits of adding regular, small dose HCG to traditional TRT. The number one Anti-Aging Medicine doctor in America, Ron Rothenberg, MD, emailed me last November to tell me he is now using my HCG Protocol.
There obviously is more to TRT than just serum androgen levels.
Serum androgen levels certainly arent the whole story as far as libido and TRT goes. The whole body-brain chemistry and the myriad feedback mechanisms of all the hormones are involved. But the most contributory element is serum androgens.
I have been running my own TRT program and reading the posts on this board for 2 1/2 years now. I study the medical texts regarding basic, clinical, and endocrine psyiology as well as hypertension and clinical nephrology.
I fail to understand why you say that "You are limiting yourself with just HCG. HCG alone simply does not bring the benefits T does. Try it, you will see."
I one relys only on hcg then androgen receptor down- regulation is sure to follow eventually. I have used hcg excusively to the point of thyroid stimulation without loss of effectivness.
Regular small doses of hcg are essential for maintaining testicular mass. Got to feed the boys or they will go away from negative feedback.
Regarding the effectiveness of hcg as compared to T: It takes several large doses of hcg a few days apart to mimic the effect of regular T injections, assuming that one has the functioning Leydig cells to utilize the hcg in the first place. The only difference I have noticed is in the rapidity of change regarding hcg vs. T. T IM comes on like gangbusters and hcg creeps up slowly. This makes sense psyiologically as well.
The optimum proportion of T to hcg seems vary from individual to individual.
Any thoughts on Clomid?
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I am sorry but this is nuts doing this much HCG will kill your Testis burn then out and make you Primary your not trying to make a baby your trying to keep your Testosterone levels up. If you did this and did not test low you just messed your self up for life. You will need TRT ahd HCG for life. Taking arimidex works if you know how to take it if your "Estradiol levels are high you go on this until you get your night time and morning wood back this if you lose your wood later your going down to low. So all you do is stop the Arimidex until your wood comes back that day go back on it but take less Arimidex most do good at just .25 mgs a 1/4 of a pill every 2 to 3 days.
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I m 62 play basketball and tennis and am using HGH and TRT to maintain strength and sexual funcitoning. After a wonderful 5 months my T Gel caused Estrogen to rise and eventually I lost most sexual functioning and even Arimidex didnt correct the sexual funcitoning so my doc wants me to take once per week HCG 2500 u sub cu to stimulate the testes to produce T. My question is what is your protocol for using T with HCG? Do you also continue using Arimidex to supress E.
Many thanks for what you are doing for all of us who want to stay active and functioning as we age.
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Put simply, I am already on TRT, and sometimes larger doses. HCG added makes me horney as hell!!! 500ius every few days just keeps me where I am constantly sniffing around the wife. But every now and then I will pop a 1500 - 2000 iu dose and I go through the roof...
FYI, if I run out, or neglect for a few weeks for whatever reason, my libido is gone and my wife is HAPPY!!!
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