Going to endo tomorrow..clomid, or TRT?

[jb55638]

I am 26 and have been off steroids for three years. My labs have come back low/normal each time I have them done. I have all the usual sides from low test-ie: lethargic, moody, anxiety, no fucking libido.
Should I ask the endo to prescribe me low dose clomid, or at this point should I give up on my HPTA ever coming back and get on TRT? ALL THOSE WHO ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE PLEASE RESPOND WITH ADVICE

THANKS BROS

[jb55638]

bump

[jb55638]

anyone?

[pmgamer18]

No on the Endo try and get in to see Dr. John All Things Male - Center for Men's Health if he can't get you started no one can. Have you had your Cortisol and Thyroid tested this can be some of it also how is your E2.

Originally Posted by jb55638

I am 26 and have been off steroids for three years. My labs have come back low/normal each time I have them done. I have all the usual sides from low test-ie: lethargic, moody, anxiety, no fucking libido.
Should I ask the endo to prescribe me low dose clomid, or at this point should I give up on my HPTA ever coming back and get on TRT? ALL THOSE WHO ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE PLEASE RESPOND WITH ADVICE

THANKS BROS

[jb55638]

E2 is where it should be, and cortisol is normal also. Is 26 too young for TRT? This is my dilema.

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by jb55638

E2 is where it should be, and cortisol is normal also. Is 26 too young for TRT? This is my dilema.

Before jumping on TRT less examine a few things
1. lifestyle patterns -time you get up goto bed, what you do during teh day time.
2. diet
3, define past drug history - steroids alcholism , drugs ect.
4. sleep patterns
5. current supplements - ALL of them including multivitamin
6. how often you wank off - could be underlying problem for OCD
7. mental staus - in a relationship, family issues , ect..
8. examine thyroid issues, steroids can cause alteration in HTPA axis and low thyroi = low testosteorne
8/ does your dick get hard in the moriing?
GOLDEN RULE ENDOS ARE A WASTE OF TIME 99.9% atleast. ONCE IN A WHILE YOU GET LUCKY
WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED ..

Define e2 where it should be and how low are your ranges?

[billythebaxter]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

Before jumping on TRT less examine a few things
1. lifestyle patterns -time you get up goto bed, what you do during teh day time.
2. diet
3, define past drug history - steroids alcholism , drugs ect.
4. sleep patterns
5. current supplements - ALL of them including multivitamin
6. how often you wank off - could be underlying problem for OCD
7. mental staus - in a relationship, family issues , ect..
8. examine thyroid issues, steroids can cause alteration in HTPA axis and low thyroi = low testosteorne
8/ does your dick get hard in the moriing?
GOLDEN RULE ENDOS ARE A WASTE OF TIME 99.9% atleast. ONCE IN A WHILE YOU GET LUCKY
WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED ..

Define e2 where it should be and how low are your ranges?

please elaborate...i am intrigued by this

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by billythebaxter

please elaborate...i am intrigued by this

When you blow your load you deplete vital minerals such as magnesium, calcium, and mainly zinc, and seleium.

Lets say you are a hard training athletes that sweats like crazy and trains like a mad man and takes a normal multivitain (which is 90'% unusable by the body), added the every day of daily stress, and then you sit there beat your meat 2-3 times a day. Well number one people over train to begin with this leads into over training syndrome which can be remedy by ZMA. It has been proven that after 8 weeks of hard traiing even with supplementation athletes have been found zinc defieint. Zinc and selsium defciency can cause major problems with emotional stabilty and well being as well as lowering sperm and testosterone even lower..How much zinc is actually lost it has been estimated between 5-15 mgs a load.

[BigAk]

wow han.... but who does really spank their monkey 2-3 times a day??? I just can't see much impact mastrubation has on Testosterone levels if done normally... meaning once every 2 or 3 days...

[novice]

from experience i say see Dr. Shippen in PA.

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by novice

from experience i say see Dr. Shippen in PA.

Yes but i would also look into Dr john ..he is taking on new patients ..

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by BigAk

wow han.... but who does really spank their monkey 2-3 times a day??? I just can't see much impact mastrubation has on Testosterone levels if done normally... meaning once every 2 or 3 days...

Sex actually causes testosterone to rise. Good for the prostate as well.

I do not believe the negative connection between sex and anything athletic related.

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by plymouth city

Sex actually causes testosterone to rise. Good for the prostate as well.

I do not believe the negative connection between sex and anything athletic related.

Unless you are carb depleting for a bodybuilding show do not expect your dick to get hard when on low carbs and dedhyrating your self.. Let me tell you if your back stage getting oiled up by some hot chicks (or for some others another guys YUCK) and you do not get a hard on then that would answer your questions. It aint going to happen HAHA .

[chip douglas]

If you must know fellow posters......I'm addicted to wanking, and my libido is nowhere to be found, and this has lasted for the last 9 years. I have occasional peaks but no more.

I don't have time right now but I'll add on to this thread tomorrow in more details, as I feel I can either benefit from this or might help someone else out too.

I spank the monkey everyday, and it's been this way for as long as I can remember, and I have a real good memory hehe.

Ok, I tried to inject a chunk of humor into this, but deep down this is a serious issue.

[chip douglas]

I've always been known to be one to go to extremes, and locally I've yet to meet someone like me, and after many years online, I realize there aren't many like me, which makes me feel like really one of kind. I also know that some have the same problems I do but lurk in the shadow as it takes some guts to go public with this, but I really don't mind doing so at this point, cause I know I ain't a chronic wanker, I'm much more than that, but this is one of my weak spot, and we all have a weak spot

I've always been the anxious, mentally tense type of dude, and wanking does provide relaxation, so it didn't take long before I developed this coping strategy addiction. I've also been known to be a perfectionist--I'm pretty anal on subjects I take to heart.

I've been having a low sex drive/libido for the last 9 years, which is a long time without it. So I do wank just the same, and most of the time only the conclusion (orgasm) feels good to some degree. But I'm addicted so even though it doesn't feel half as good as it used to, I still do it through addiction.

I've never been sexually innactive with my girlfriend (whom I've been with for the last 12 years through thick and thin), but when we have sex I do not get anticipatory pleasure, nor am I horny when we do it--I just go through the motion, period, and sometime orgasm feels better than at other times. So my sex life sucks.


During the day I never ever get spontaneous erections. I've started getting morning woods and noctrunal erections (which are basically the same thing) a year ago when i started listening to this CD when I go to bed : Insight CD
So woods returned after I started listening to this CD on a daily basis, and even after i stopped they remained but not as strong. Like for instance, yesterday I went to sleep listening to this CD and in the middle of the night I woke up with killer wood ! Braverman once told me that many of my issues originate from poor sleep, and it's true that I do toss and turn at night on more days than not.

Also for instance, I do get cold hands and feet, but ONLY when working on the computer--I think I've mentioned times and again that as much as I like surfing the net, this very activity creates tensions within. I know part of this comes from the fact that being information greedy and wanting to learn as much as I can in as little a time period as possible, I see WHOLE LOT of stuffs to be learned on the web regarding interractions between hormones, immune cytokines and neurotransmission, and the urge is so strong for me to go through ALL of that information at a fast pace, that I get overwhelmed and start to get mentallly very tense. I realize that learning all of what I'd like to is possible, but it takes time, a lot of time, and demanding to myself as I am, I'd like to know it all right now, as I'm being aware that the sooner I gather this information the better. I'm also thinking I'm already 35, and should I wish to get a chance at a good quality of life for the years to come, I'd better hurry up. While what I've just wrote makes sense, it's also part of what makes my life miserable `: I'm TOO GREEDY, TOO DEMANDING to myself. So the pressure comes from within me, not from the outside, although there's always a relative pressure coming from the outside, be it work environment type pressure or other, however most of it takes root from within my own self.

Also the wanking addiction is in part telltale of low serotonin through OCD like behavior. It's funny cause I write about this, yet don't trust myself, and keep seeking reasurrance with others--HAN knows a good bit about my being insecure

I thought I'd post about this as what I wrote about above is as genuine about me as can get, and I'm thinking that this may hep others in a similar situation. I used to be ashamed of telling people about this, but heck if I don't show my true colors, how can I recieve accurate and relevant advice, so it took a good dose of bravery to come forward with all this info, and I'm glad I did.

Like HAN wrote above, through ejaculation one also loses mostly zinc and selenium--however do we really lose THAT much zinc upon ejaculation HAN ? I'll look this up, and I know I have this in a binder in my den ; I'd asked this to Dr. Kevin Pezzi once and he said and actually provided me with actual numbers on how much zinc is lost through cumming. I seem to recall it was not very much--I'll look this up and post it here.

However if you've found that amount of zinc lost through reliable source, I won't argue this--the reason why I say this is cause I only trust information from reliable internet source. That being said, I think the zinc lost through ejaculating might have an impact on our moods; anxiety, stress proneness.

Since a good deal of our ailments can be traced back to lifestyle, I wouldn't be surprised to learn my wanking like crazy is the culprit of my ill. Of course I'm taking into account the OCD like behavior which can be addressed through increasing serotonin.

Let's remember that I've recieved an ADHD diagnosis twice so far. I've also being diagnosed with GAD and Dysthymia. I find GAD is more relevant than Dysthymia and Dysthymia to me is the outcome of GAD, where Dysthymia is low grade depression, and those afflicted by anxiety know for sure how this can bring on low moods.

I'll add more as it comes to mind.....