going to change direction

[masterpp]

so my mood has improved a lot on shots, but ive just gotten huge. ive gaine almost 20 pounds, and despite jogging very intensely three times a week and eating very clean, im not getting any smaller. seeing as i was 140 pounds before, you can imagine what a change its been. so i want to get my weight back down. what should i do.

1. increase dossage of test enantate. at the moment i am doing 75mg a week. i am doing this low dossage, because on 125 mg a week of sustanon my levels went sky high. i was also concerned that if i am gaining weight on shots, doing a larger dossage would probably speed up weight gain. however i was wondering if increase my test e dossage might help weight loss.

2. try test proprionate. body builders use this to get cut, so i may try it to see if it helps me keep the weight down.

3.go back on gels. despite the fact that my tests werent very encouraging on testogel, i kept the weight down, and indeed on shots, despite the fact that my blood test results are good, i havent noticed any improvment. i was therefor thinking of going back on gels, as although they are a hassel,at least my weight was down.

4. go off everything, but just do arimidex. this sounds crazy, but when off trt, although my level of t was low, the main problem was sky high e2 caused by the conversion of my elevated lh and fsh. i was considering stopping trt and just doing arimidex, as then at least it would control my t/e2 ratio.

does anyone have anythoughts on what i should do. i know i sound shallow worrying about my weight, but things like the hair and body are so important for my confidence, and at the moment i feel fat and sluggish, despite my positive mood.

any advice appreciated.

[pmgamer18]

All I can say is try it we have a guy at the H2 group that was on Androgel for 2 yrs. and not feeling to good. He found a new Dr. that took him off the gel and all he takes now is one one mg. pill of Arimidex a day now his T levels are 800. His Dr. feels this is the new way to treat low T if you test low for T and have a low LH and FSH with high E2 this may work.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

[Megazoid]

Phil, the problem with masterpp is that his testicles don't work. He is full primary. So i think TRT is the only way for him.

[masterpp]

Originally Posted by Megazoid

Phil, the problem with masterpp is that his testicles don't work. He is full primary. So i think TRT is the only way for him.

true, but at the same time as im not getting drastic improvments on trt, i was thinking that i might just go back to how i was before, but use arimidex to keep my e2 down,as i believe this is what caused the fatty chest and anxiety.

[Megazoid]

master, when you say "not getting drastic improvements" in what sense do you mean? Surely you are physically feeling allot better and stronger? How is your libido/erections? Do you get morning/night wang ok?

[magic8989]

It is quite possible some of the weight gain is muscle. That would not be a bad thing.

[masterpp]

sure, i guess some of it is muscle. but a lot of it is just tissue and fat. im just bulking up as they say. however, believe it or not, i dont want to get bigger. i was happy with my body shape before, but i just wanted a little more muscle tone., now im like a rugby player- kinda.

its also frustrating as no matter how light i eat, i cant shift the weight. im working out hard, and eating loads of protien, very few carbs and loads of salad. diet isnt the problem.

i really want to get cut down.
i think ill try the propionate first, and after that im going back on gels for a month.

has anyone got any other ideas.

[Andromeda]

I think armidex is a good choice because
(1) Theres no long term sideaffects
(2) It doesn't 'shut you down'
(3) It boosts T levels by 40% over baseline (this is significant!)

Cheers

[Vforcer2]

Wouldn't A'dex cause e2 to go to low and also cause libido, erection, and cholesterol problems?

[wildfox]

[quote=masterpp]so my mood has improved a lot on shots, but ive just gotten huge. ive gaine almost 20 pounds, and despite jogging very intensely three times a week and eating very clean, im not getting any smaller. seeing as i was 140 pounds before, you can imagine what a change its been. so i want to get my weight back down. what should i do.
.../QUOTE]

Is it an increase of fat, muscle or both? If it's mainly muscle I'd be happy. That "skinny and depressed" guy around here probably wishes he were you.

What does your doctor say? I wouldn't make changes without his input..

[masterpp]

im out of proportion though as my chest belly thighs and shoulders have gone out, but my arms are still skinny i look like a tree lol.

there may be a bit of muscle but its mostly fat and i need to shift it

[FYI777]

A different perspective sometimes helps.

Increases of weight are not always muscle and/or fat.

Try to monitor your blood pressure.

Increases in BP would indicate excessive water retention (sodium?) To counter maybe increase eating of potassium-rich foods such as potatoes,bananas,fruits ect. Always helps me lose some excessive water weight thereby lowering my BP.Also celery seed extract supplements.

Since you don't lift weights you don't know if your gaining strength (which would usually indicate increase in muscle mass) but even water weight gain can result in increased strength to a degree.

Maybe this helps some,maybe not.

[masterpp]

Originally Posted by FYI777

A different perspective sometimes helps.

Increases of weight are not always muscle and/or fat.

Try to monitor your blood pressure.

Increases in BP would indicate excessive water retention (sodium?) To counter maybe increase eating of potassium-rich foods such as potatoes,bananas,fruits ect. Always helps me lose some excessive water weight thereby lowering my BP.Also celery seed extract supplements.

Since you don't lift weights you don't know if your gaining strength (which would usually indicate increase in muscle mass) but even water weight gain can result in increased strength to a degree.

Maybe this helps some,maybe not.

thanks for the lateral thinking- really appreciate your comments on pottasium and water weight.

sadly for me, its fat, no two ways about it. i think since going on shots, although ive chilled out a lot, i think its suppresed my metabolism or thyroid and adrenal. i used to have this nervouse energy, which i think kept me alert and slim. now a days im like a sloth- fat and slow- but happier i guess