HCG and Progesterone

[1cc]

Swale,

In some of your posts you have said that it is the progesterone increase caused by HCG that can also cause gyno besides E2.

E2 can be controlled by using something like arimidex or DIM. How does one control progesterone? At what dosage of daily HCG would one develop a danger of too much progesterone?

Is developing gyno an inevitable result of doing HRT?

[DavidZ]

Originally Posted by 1cc

E2 can be controlled by using something like arimidex or DIM. How does one control progesterone? At what dosage of daily HCG would one develop a danger of too much progesterone?

The best way to keep other hormones in balance with TRT is not to let T go too high.

Originally Posted by 1cc

Is developing gyno an inevitable result of doing HRT?

Absolutely not. Only when it's done poorly.

[1cc]

Originally Posted by DavidZ

The best way to keep other hormones in balance with TRT is not to let T go too high.

Is high progesterone a result of too much T or too much HCG? I was not aware that high T had any impact on progesterone.

[DavidZ]

Originally Posted by 1cc

Is high progesterone a result of too much T or too much HCG? I was not aware that high T had any impact on progesterone.

Why are you worried about progesterone? If it's based on something Swale said, I think you're misinterpretting him. I don't remember his exact quote, but I think he was explaining why not to take too much HCG (as in massive doses).

The bottom line is if you keep your T in the upper normal range using HCG, you won't need to worry about it.

[abs3]

i know in certain steroid cycles where progesterone induced gyno came from too much anadrol or tren, one would use the anabolic steroid winstrol to try & counter the progesterone.. i dont know how it works or if it even works but i have used this method in the past, along with standard anti-e's for excess estrogen suppression.

[Glaim]

Based on what I understand, progesterone induced gyno is directly related to estrogen Control the estrogen and you'll control the progesterone...bromocriptine is supposed to lower progesterone levels from what I've heard.

[abs3]

anti-e's & anti-aromatase's had no effect at stopping progesterone induced gyno in steroid cycles...thats why bodybuilders usually take winstrol with anadrol, which is notorious for progesterone induced gyno...

[mranak]

First, try not to confuse progesterone and prolactin, which is easy to do because a lot of people on these boards erroronously confuse the two, mix up the two, and tell others.

You guys are hitting on a topic of debate within the AAS community. But this is a medical subject, not an AAS subject, so I hope that SWALE doesn't mind this reply.

Some guys get gyno that seemingly isn't controlled by managing E2 at normal levels and many of these guys even lactate. This problem is caused by prolactin. B6, Bromo and Dostinex are known to lower prolactin and remedy this problem.

E2 itself can give rise to prolactin. Some people believe that prolactin gyno is actually caused by a T+DHT/E ratio. I'm skeptical of this theory because managing E2 often does not help. Also, some guys get gyno from finasteride (since it offsets the T+DHT/E ratio I guess) but I haven't heard of those guys lactating.

Another theory is that the elevated prolactin is caused by increased progesterone. For example, some of non-aromatasing steroids are (apparently) progestins themselves that can bind to the progestin receptors. If this is true, and progestins do raise prolactin, then that would explain a great deal.

This is certainly a topic I am interested in, because I feel that the available studies are insufficient and learning about the interaction and effects of the bodies hormones is so crucial in our pursuit to understand the human body.

[1cc]

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[SWALE]

Good answers, guys.

The formula offered is an attempt to explain the result of very complicated interactions between enzymes, and actions at receptors. We have a long way to go.

BTW, deca is a progestin.

[porkhide]

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