hCG Monotherapy Success Story -- Staggering Numbers

[benrock]

LH was always Under 1 and fsh too

i as on and off trt for 8 yrs now just trying to find something that works , shots make my bp skyrocket , gels make my dht to high and stop working after 2 months so im trying hcg only and i feel like shit so far depressed and left nipple issues , no wood at all ?

[eeso]

benrock what do u mean gels stopped working after 2 months? Were your labs looking good but u didnt feel good, or were your labs lousy from getting poorer absorption? Please detail.

[HeadDoc]

there is of course a way of directly measuring testis size and volume.

Seager

interesting thread here.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by zkt

If you want to experiment on yourself from a basis of fact and understanding then I say go for it. My entire HRT prrogram is based on the belief that I can understand the processes involved and use that understanding to my benefit. No doctor required if you are able and willing to read, understand and act accordingly.
I do wonder about the times that you have chastised me for the same thing that you are doing. But this is understandable from a Mcain supporter.
BTW, did you know that he is on 100% disabiolity to the tune of $65k/yr and he didnt support the latest VA bill because " it was too generous" ?
LMFAO
I still dont see any reason that hcg will increase E2 more than shots.
Dont leave prolactin out of the equation, It has a lot do do with how they hang (from pre and post orgasmic observations).
"My pre TRT LH=5.7
that is a midle of the range, so my testis and Adrenals are slow."
The middle of the range (mean) implies that LH is normal.
It implies that nothing about your testes and adrenal function. Especially that there is anything wrong due to the pituitary.
All that one may assume is that the pituitary is ok.
TC

Everyting was fine until you called me Mcain supporter.

With the choices we have I will probably sit out this election.
I hate 51%/49% split.
I would vote for anything that is at least 75%/25%

For the life of me I cant understand why Chinese are able to drill 75 miles out of our coast line, but we cant.
Why cant we have enough Nuclear power plants (that are build within 3-4 years not 10-20)
Why cant we have enough of refineries
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Please restate what do you think about my testis,
primary or secondary.
LH=5.7
TT=320

[zkt]

Sorry couldnt resist the temptation.
According to the medical profession if the LH (or any value) is within 3 standard deviatins of the mean you are within the normal range.If your level is close to the mean (average) it is clearly normal.
Way too much math here, but the graph tells the story.
Normal distribution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I could calculate just what percentile you are in for LH but I`d say you are pretty damn near normal- at least as far as LH goes.
LH varies a lot thru the day so FSH would be a better indicatror of pituitary sex hormone output.
I think you are on to something with the hcg and testicular feel and perception. Personally I think I`ve been doing too much T and too little hcg, for the past few months and it has supressed my LH. The boys just dont feel right.There is 30000iu on the way- I`ll keep you posted. Probably ought to get some L-dex too.

[zkt]

Originally Posted by HeadDoc

there is of course a way of directly measuring testis size and volume.

Seager

interesting thread here.

.
Bet that caliper costs a pretty penny.
Here is a cheaper one that is more than up to the job. I use it to mike bearings in an automatic tranmission that I`m rebuilding.(among other things)

Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by zkt

Sorry couldnt resist the temptation.
According to the medical profession if the LH (or any value) is within 3 standard deviatins of the mean you are within the normal range.If your level is close to the mean (average) it is clearly normal.
Way too much math here, but the graph tells the story.
Normal distribution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I could calculate just what percentile you are in for LH but I`d say you are pretty damn near normal- at least as far as LH goes.
LH varies a lot thru the day so FSH would be a better indicatror of pituitary sex hormone output.
I think you are on to something with the hcg and testicular feel and perception. Personally I think I`ve been doing too much T and too little hcg, for the past few months and it has supressed my LH. The boys just dont feel right.There is 30000iu on the way- I`ll keep you posted. Probably ought to get some L-dex too.

Ok, LH=normal
TT=low ----------> Secondary

That would indicate some positive chances on getting more of natural T production by using larger doses of HCG.

Well, will newer know until tried

[zkt]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Ok, LH=normal
TT=low ----------> Secondary

That would indicate some positive chances on getting more of natural T production by using larger doses of HCG.

Well, will newer know until tried

I always mix the terms primary and secondary up. So I dont even think in those terms anymore. Seems to me that since the testes are the primary source of T then a deficiency in their function outta be called primary and pituitary problems secondary.
Now that I think about it, you are at about the LH and T levels that I initially had a year ago when I started treating the problem. T was about 330 - thats about the 15th percentile or 15% above the normal low end cutoff line according to the endos. And LH was about at the 75th percentile. Considering that the adrenals produce 10-20% of total T it was apparent that the pituitary was trying and the guys were kinda listening but not really paying attention.
I think that the medical community has given the impression that it is either primary or secondary most of the time. Which may well be true for the younger guys, but for us old fucks- usually a little of both.
So in that light, if I had it to do over I would start with more hcg and less T. And since I can start over, but just from a little different place, we`ll just see how much life the boys have in them.
Guess you`re gonna do the same ?

[jinxie1]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Everyting was fine until you called me Mcain supporter.

With the choices we have I will probably sit out this election.
I hate 51%/49% split.
I would vote for anything that is at least 75%/25%

For the life of me I cant understand why Chinese are able to drill 75 miles out of our coast line, but we cant.
Why cant we have enough Nuclear power plants (that are build within 3-4 years not 10-20)
Why cant we have enough of refineries
==============================================
Please restate what do you think about my testis,
primary or secondary.
LH=5.7
TT=320

Jan, for your age, your pre-TRT TT is pretty much normal. Without knowing your FT, technically, you are not hypogonadal. But that doesnt mean that you dont warrant treatment. One things is for certain, you are not secondary. If you were, that hCG dose you are taking would be sending your TT to the ether, along with your E2 -- it sounds like it's doing nothing, other than plumping your balls up and changing the texture of your scrotum; seems like a lot of a med to be taking for aesthetics, but I appreciate that we have different views in this regard. Good luck.

[jinxie1]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Ok, LH=normal
TT=low ----------> Secondary

That would indicate some positive chances on getting more of natural T production by using larger doses of HCG.

Well, will newer know until tried

It's the opposite Jan. LH normal, T low, primary. You are getting the signal, but the testies are responding to it. As ZKT aptly points out, FSH is a better measure of whether you are secondary, as LH is pulsatile in nature, and requires multiple readings to get a truly accurate reading.

As this juncture, I think it's clear from your response to hCG that you are primary, even if you weren't when you started. Only way to know for sure is to come of T and try a restart, which would be misguided at your age, IMO.

Good luck.

P.S. When did China start drilling 30 miles off our coasts? I'd be very interested in a link. Probably from The Onion.