hCG Monotherapy Success Story -- Staggering Numbers

[jinxie1]

hCG monotherapy does work for those suffering from secondary hypogonadism . . .

At the time of labs, I was taking 1500 IUs of hCG E3D, along with .35 mgs Adex E3D. Labs were taken at 9:50 a.m. of the morning that I ordinarily take my hCG and Adex, before taking my meds.

TT 1485 (250 - 1100)
FT 241.5 (46 - 224)
Bio T 486.1 (110 - 575)
SHBG 38 (8-48)
Albumin 4.4 (3.6 - 5.1)
E2 90 (13-54)

Beginning today, I intend to reduce hCG to 1000 IUs E3D, and increase Adex to .75 mgs E3D, to reduce the TT and FT, and decrease the E2. I figure that should bring me within range in all respects, and get rid of my minor bloating and propensity for chick flicks. ; )

Regarding pre treatment levels, my TT was 355, FT 45, and E2 20. My hCG monotherapy results far exceed my results when on 100 mgs of T Cyp and 550 IUs of hCG per week, and I feel far better as well.

Hope this inspires other putative secondaries to explore hCG stim tests before proceeding with TRT.

Good luck and good health,
J

[benrock]

i am also on hcg only at 200 iu s every day and i feel like im getting estrogen sides , like soar left nipple , depressed , so i did labs last week waiting for tthem to come back . ordered some nolvadex too , why does hcg drive estrogen so high ?

[zkt]

Originally Posted by benrock

i am also on hcg only at 200 iu s every day and i feel like im getting estrogen sides , like soar left nipple , depressed , so i did labs last week waiting for tthem to come back . ordered some nolvadex too , why does hcg drive estrogen so high ?

I`m not aware of any studies confirming that hcg leads to more aromatization than injections for a given serum T level. Maybe it just seems this way. Maybe the hcg was giving you higher T than the injections and that lead to higher E2.
If theres is any evidenc of this sure would like to see it as I am intending to increase my hcg and decrease T here soon.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by benrock

i am also on hcg only at 200 iu s every day and i feel like im getting estrogen sides , like soar left nipple , depressed , so i did labs last week waiting for tthem to come back . ordered some nolvadex too , why does hcg drive estrogen so high ?

Lets wait for test results.
Hopefully you did the correct (ultrasensitive) E2 test.
With a dose of 200iu x 7=1400iu/week
you may be low on E2.

I am taking 500iu EOD =500*7/2=1750iu/week
I am also taking testosterone 0.255cc 200mg/ml EOD
had to stop Arimidex, my E2 went too low.


What was you LH & FSH befoe you have started HCG only theraphy?
Were you taking testosterone previously?

[jinxie1]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Lets wait for test results.
Hopefully you did the correct (ultrasensitive) E2 test.
With a dose of 200iu x 7=1400iu/week
you may be low on E2.

I am taking 500iu EOD =500*7/2=1750iu/week
I am also taking testosterone 0.255cc 200mg/ml EOD
had to stop Arimidex, my E2 went too low.


What was you LH & FSH befoe you have started HCG only theraphy?
Were you taking testosterone previously?

Jan, given that your balls are shut down, and your hCG is largely for cosmetic purposes, I dont think folks can infer much from your doses in terms of armotasization, or, for that matter, impact on T levels from hCG.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by jinxie1

Jan, given that your balls are shut down, and your hCG is largely for cosmetic purposes, I dont think folks can infer much from your doses in terms of armotasization, or, for that matter, impact on T levels from hCG.

My pre TRT LH=5.7
that is a midle of the range, so my testis and Adrenals are slow.

I am keeping my testis primed as much as possible.
When I am done with other health projects, I plan on increasing my HCG dose just to see what happens.
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When using HCG, at certain point E2 increases to high level.
I would like to understand the process,
to figure if I can expect rise in E2 when I increase HCG dose.

What is produced by testis:

either
testosterone and E1 and E2

or
testosterone and aromatase

then, next pahse, the aromatase convert T to E1 + E2
.
.
If it is the latter, then testis that do not produce T may still produce aromatase (when stimulated)
and cause high E2 without the benefit of making T.

[jinxie1]

Jan, your desire to experiment with hCG escapes me, given your age, as well as the fact that your numbers are pretty close to ideal. What are you trying to attain? Perhaps you should just leave good enough alone. The body is delicate, and I suspect you may upset the apple cart if you continue on this road with the hCG. I don't think there is any upside, and plenty of downside. I feel like you need a reality check. I am concerned for you.

If it has anything to do with your scrotum being too loose, you may wish to consider botox, which has become popular according to my urologist. I would never resort to it, but you seem disenchanted with something down there, so it may be worth considering.

I sure hope you find whatever it is you are looking for.

J

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by jinxie1

Jan, your desire to experiment with hCG escapes me, given your age, as well as the fact that your numbers are pretty close to ideal. What are you trying to attain? Perhaps you should just leave good enough alone. The body is delicate, and I suspect you may upset the apple cart if you continue on this road with the hCG. I don't think there is any upside, and plenty of downside. I feel like you need a reality check. I am concerned for you.

If it has anything to do with your scrotum being too loose, you may wish to consider botox, which has become popular according to my urologist. I would never resort to it, but you seem disenchanted with something down there, so it may be worth considering.

I sure hope you find whatever it is you are looking for.

J

Thanks for your concern.
It feels real good to know that you worry about me.

My scrotum looks so good that sometimes I am tempted to share the view (with opposite xx), I do not think it was any better 50 years ago.
First of all it feels alive, normal, sometimes tighter other times loose, much better than totally tight, no balls, on Androgel without HCG.

Just so you know, my scrotum was loose and lifeless when I was on small dose of HCG 250iu E2D), it got better with larger dose.
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I wish that you will be able to control your E2.
Make small increments with Arimidex.

[zkt]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Thanks for your concern.
It feels real good to know that you worry about me.

My scrotum looks so good that sometimes I am tempted to share the view (with opposite xx), I do not think it was any better 50 years ago.
First of all it feels alive, normal, sometimes tighter other times loose, much better than totally tight, no balls, on Androgel without HCG.

Just so you know, my scrotum was loose and lifeless when I was on small dose of HCG 250iu E2D), it got better with larger dose.
..
..
I wish that you will be able to control your E2.
Make small increments with Arimidex.

If you want to experiment on yourself from a basis of fact and understanding then I say go for it. My entire HRT prrogram is based on the belief that I can understand the processes involved and use that understanding to my benefit. No doctor required if you are able and willing to read, understand and act accordingly.
I do wonder about the times that you have chastised me for the same thing that you are doing. But this is understandable from a Mcain supporter.
BTW, did you know that he is on 100% disabiolity to the tune of $65k/yr and he didnt support the latest VA bill because " it was too generous" ?
LMFAO
I still dont see any reason that hcg will increase E2 more than shots.
Dont leave prolactin out of the equation, It has a lot do do with how they hang (from pre and post orgasmic observations).
"My pre TRT LH=5.7
that is a midle of the range, so my testis and Adrenals are slow."
The middle of the range (mean) implies that LH is normal.
It implies that nothing about your testes and adrenal function. Especially that there is anything wrong due to the pituitary.
All that one may assume is that the pituitary is ok.
TC

[jinxie1]

Originally Posted by JanSz

Thanks for your concern.
It feels real good to know that you worry about me.

My scrotum looks so good that sometimes I am tempted to share the view (with opposite xx), I do not think it was any better 50 years ago.
First of all it feels alive, normal, sometimes tighter other times loose, much better than totally tight, no balls, on Androgel without HCG.

Just so you know, my scrotum was loose and lifeless when I was on small dose of HCG 250iu E2D), it got better with larger dose.
..
..
I wish that you will be able to control your E2.
Make small increments with Arimidex.

Thanks for your concern about my E2. It responds very well to Adex. When I was on T Cyp and low-dose hCG, it dropped from 83 to 20 in several weeks. I need to titrate the Adex up because I responded to the hCG far better than expected. Every thing should be perf in a few weeks.

Good luck to you Jan. And let me know if you'd like some Websites on which you can post that sexy scrotum of yours.

Best,
J