Men's Health Forum: This is a discussion on Hello -- Subq Test Cyp questions within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; Originally Posted by wildfox
More frequent shots of lower doses is what Phil meant. He said he shoots into the ...
More frequent shots of lower doses is what Phil meant. He said he shoots into the thigh (that would be the vastus lateralis, the outer thigh, away from the groin). Shooting cyp into belly fat sounds painful.
Is Dr. Marianco telling you you need to start TRT?
phil: Your help, as always, is much appreciated.
wildfox: I've been on TRT in one form or another since 2004. We're simply switching from Nolvadex only back to a more conventional regimen. I feel like SWALE was correct in his statement that SERMS give you the numbers you want to see, but not the subjective benefits like energy, libido, and body composition.
I was on the Test Cyp 100mg/week + HCG 500iu/week (ie, SWALE protocol) regimen for awhile, but had to stop because I was frequently getting dizzy after the T Cyp injection. Nobody could figure out why. On my first visit to Dr M, he hypothesized that the T Cyp was causing a reduction in thyroid function. He was right. I hadn't been regularly checking TSH, but I did find 2 labs that clearly showed a sharp rise in TSH after administering the T Cyp. Now that I'm on Armour Thyroid, I'm pretty sure that the SWALE protocol will work much better.
If you don't mind, are you able to elaborate at all about the dizziness? I ask only because I have been struggling with the same problem since I began TRT, and nothing helps besides Adderall.
Long time, no talk. I've been under Marianco's care for about 7 months now. I was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism. It's been a challenge to get that under control, but I think we're heading in the right direction.
I had been on Nolvadex @ 20mg/day for the last year, but we are going to switch back to more conventional protocol. My Total T, Free T, E2, and DHT all look good on Nolva alone. However, sex drive has been non-existent and I feel very weak in the gym.
Seems like many of you are doing your T Cyp injections subq now. Very interesting.
Couple of questions:
1) It sounds like .25cc 2x per week (200mg/ml of Test Cyp) is a good starting point. Yes?
2) Have you guys found differences in E2 control based on where you inject? Ie, thigh, abs, etc?
3) I'm assuming that you grab a fold a skin just as if doing an HCG injection? One hand on the fold and the other on the syringe?
4) I've pushed T Cyp through a 25g needle before. It took a lot of effort. Is it hard to maintain control with a 27g needle while holding onto a skin-fold?
Cheers,
Sonny
Hi Sonny, Have you tried lowering your dose of novladex to see if your system can run on its own ? What happens to your levels then ?
Morgan: I don't know all of the details behind this, but here is a rough breakdown. In most people, Testosterone improves thyroid function. Apparently, there are some people who experience impaired thyroid function when given Testosterone. I seem to fall into this group. When your thyroid is sub-optimal, your adrenals will usually work harder to compensate. I am not sure if it is a result of low thyroid function or adrenal fatigue, but the dizziness results from one or both. A common symptom of adrenal fatigue is dizziness when standing up since your adrenal's are not capable of maintaining blood pressure as you stand.
coz: When we made the decision to go from Nolva @ 20mg/day to T Cyp + HCG, I tapered off of Nolvadex. I did about 2 weeks at 10mg and then 2 weeks at 0mg. I can definitely say that I felt worse at 10mg of Nolvadex vs 20mg of Nolvadex. I don't like to base decisions off of just one experience, so maybe someday I'll try it again.
Morgan: I don't know all of the details behind this, but here is a rough breakdown. In most people, Testosterone improves thyroid function. Apparently, there are some people who experience impaired thyroid function when given Testosterone. I seem to fall into this group. When your thyroid is sub-optimal, your adrenals will usually work harder to compensate. I am not sure if it is a result of low thyroid function or adrenal fatigue, but the dizziness results from one or both. A common symptom of adrenal fatigue is dizziness when standing up since your adrenal's are not capable of maintaining blood pressure as you stand.
coz: When we made the decision to go from Nolva @ 20mg/day to T Cyp + HCG, I tapered off of Nolvadex. I did about 2 weeks at 10mg and then 2 weeks at 0mg. I can definitely say that I felt worse at 10mg of Nolvadex vs 20mg of Nolvadex. I don't like to base decisions off of just one experience, so maybe someday I'll try it again.
Sonny
To break this down easily and does this make sense
Increasing testosterone can cause adrenal fatigue in people for the fact that increasing the thyroid can put undue stress on the adrenals causing them lower out put.
Reverse is true
Increasing testosterone can decrease thyroid due to the fact that adrenals are already burned out and thyroid can not get into the cell with out proper levels of cortisol
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