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I'm glad to hear that u want to start PCT that is similar to mine. May I ask ...
I'm glad to hear that u want to start PCT that is similar to mine. May I ask what is your exact program? What is the dosage of hcg, what time of day are you taking it, what is the purpose for hcg use(did your balls shrink), why are you taking it for 4 weeks. What labs indicate that you need to be on this type of program. If it is too increase E2, then wouldn't taking Nolvadex increase the estrogen. I could be wrong, but can a Senior Member here answer whether this is true or not?
I'm heard ppl who had success on 250-500iu for 2-3 weeks and wonder is it in your best interest to take hcg for so long. Don't desensitize your leydig cells man... then you'll have to restart your PCT. Also, hcg will downregulate your LH production and you should start taking Nolvadex soon. BigAk took large doses of hcg and he had desensitization. Just keep in mind about the side effects with hcg.
I'm interested about how you came about your PCT, did you find a user who tried the 4 weeks of HCG, followed by 6 weeks of Nolvadex, and have it worked? If you have any links or related info, then please send it to me.
I'm glad to hear that u want to start PCT that is similar to mine. May I ask what is your exact program? What is the dosage of hcg, what time of day are you taking it, what is the purpose for hcg use(did your balls shrink), why are you taking it for 4 weeks. What labs indicate that you need to be on this type of program. If it is too increase E2, then wouldn't taking Nolvadex increase the estrogen. I could be wrong, but can a Senior Member here answer whether this is true or not?
I'm heard ppl who had success on 250-500iu for 2-3 weeks and wonder is it in your best interest to take hcg for so long. Don't desensitize your leydig cells man... then you'll have to restart your PCT. Also, hcg will downregulate your LH production and you should start taking Nolvadex soon. BigAk took large doses of hcg and he had desensitization. Just keep in mind about the side effects with hcg.
I'm interested about how you came about your PCT, did you find a user who tried the 4 weeks of HCG, followed by 6 weeks of Nolvadex, and have it worked? If you have any links or related info, then please send it to me.
hope to hear from you soon. oneday
I believe Thrombus is saying by taking HCG, that will raise his E2. HCG typically will increase this.
You should check out some threads on AM board...good info on guys doing HCG monotherapy at pretty large doses.
I only have 18 days left of nolvadex and I need to find a good source. Can anyone recommend a good reputable site for nolvadex? I ordered some from alldaychemist.com and don't know if they are legit? If i don't find a good supply soon then i'll probably regress and start at ground zero again.
I'm sending out a battlecry and calling ppl to arms (like William Wallace in Brave Heart type of shit)! Someone sent me some sites for nolvadex, and need verification from ppl preferably from a senior member. Are these sites legit? I gonna run out of nolvadex soon and have 6.5 weeks left on my program and remember, i have to take in account that it takes 6-14 days usually to ship the product. So I can be cutting it close if I don't order within the next couple of days.
I only have 18 days left of nolvadex and I need to find a good source. Can anyone recommend a good reputable site for nolvadex? I ordered some from alldaychemist.com and don't know if they are legit? If i don't find a good supply soon then i'll probably regress and start at ground zero again.
I'm sending out a battlecry and calling ppl to arms (like William Wallace in Brave Heart type of shit)! Someone sent me some sites for nolvadex, and need verification from ppl preferably from a senior member. Are these sites legit? I gonna run out of nolvadex soon and have 6.5 weeks left on my program and remember, i have to take in account that it takes 6-14 days usually to ship the product. So I can be cutting it close if I don't order within the next couple of days.
ok, before ppl on this forum starts jumping and stomping on my BALLS about supplies (hehe), i originally was going to do a different PCT program when i was considering PCTs and bought the exact amount needed for it.
1st PCT I considered
2-3 weeks of 250iu HCG every other day at night starting from day one
2 weeks of 50 mg Clomid everyday starting from day one.
4 weeks of 20 mg Nolvadex everyday starting week 2.
I discard that pct with clomid and went with a new one which was:
starting day 1:
1. 20/20/20/20/20/20/10/5/2.5 gm of Nolvadex at 10pm (7-8 week program)
2. 250 IU HCG every other day at 10pm for 2-3 weeks
Remember, there isn't no definitive handbook of right and wrong protocols and everyone literally becomes a rocket scienitist to their own therapy. ppl, i wasn't building a fucking house, and didn't add an additional 20% for materials, just in case of fuck ups. haha . Guess what, from now on, I will treat it as such and get additional supplies just in case, some new lab results demand a change/modification to PCT.
Once, i went onto the new PCT that I realized, "oh shit, I don't have enough to get me through the program that I started.(to see how i looked, just picture Macaulay Culkin from home alone, when he finds out that his parents has left him home alone. )" Now, I'm just trying to get my ducks in a row (american expression: getting and organizing my supplies) to sustain my PCT program.
If anyone else thinks inhouse pharmacy is good then let me know. oneday
I'm glad to hear that u want to start PCT that is similar to mine. May I ask what is your exact program? What is the dosage of hcg, what time of day are you taking it, what is the purpose for hcg use(did your balls shrink), why are you taking it for 4 weeks. What labs indicate that you need to be on this type of program. If it is too increase E2, then wouldn't taking Nolvadex increase the estrogen. I could be wrong, but can a Senior Member here answer whether this is true or not?
I'm heard ppl who had success on 250-500iu for 2-3 weeks and wonder is it in your best interest to take hcg for so long. Don't desensitize your leydig cells man... then you'll have to restart your PCT. Also, hcg will downregulate your LH production and you should start taking Nolvadex soon. BigAk took large doses of hcg and he had desensitization. Just keep in mind about the side effects with hcg.
I'm interested about how you came about your PCT, did you find a user who tried the 4 weeks of HCG, followed by 6 weeks of Nolvadex, and have it worked? If you have any links or related info, then please send it to me.
hope to hear from you soon. oneday
My program is 250 IU's of HCG taken EOD for 4 weeks. I will start 20 mgs of Nolvadex (liquid from AG Guys) in week 5 (considering moving to week 3). The Nolvadex dosing will last 60 days.
I have never done AAS or TRT. I tested low testosterone (224) and low-normal LH (2.8) and FSH (2.4). I decided to try a restart before starting a lifetime commitment to TRT. If it works, great; if not, hello TRT. I also had E2 of 11 (sensitive test from LabCorp) and decided to front-load with HCG because I was concerned that the Nolvadex would lower my E2 too much. Also, the HCG should give my testicles a jump-start. My understanding is that there is little danger of suppression with a 4 week low dose "cycle" of HCG.
Tonight: I will be taking 300iu hcg, 20 nolvadex, vitamin E
Twelveth day on PCT, I had few nocturnal erections and a decent morning erection (75%). To explain why I didn't have many nocturnal erections is b/c I woke up at 3:33am with bad dream, also I thought about a girl i just met who isn't calling me back. Started to worry that she is disinterested... i had to calm the fuck down: 1.) it is night time and i can't let my mind go rampant b/c i still want to sleep 2.) if i start thinking about too much shit then i won't be able to fall back to sleep. However, i was able to sleep after i peed. i wasn't surprised that i didn't have any erections after the bad dream b/c it is flight or fight response... for me, i never get excited in those situations
My dream was about a doctor who was doing research at a hospital and I was leaving the hospital, as was he. I was walking outside to the parking garage and I passed by the doctor on my way outside. For some strange reason I was carrying a stool (I don't know why i was carrying a stool) as i was walking. A devious man walks by me and you could tell that he had malicious intentions. It was apparent that he was after the doctor, so did a 180 degrees to follow the devious individual. He whipped out a gun and demanded the doc's research and the doc did not give it to him, then BANG, he shot him. Then he pointed the gun in my direction and then, i woke up. I started to think why didn't i throw him the stool so he could protect himself, if i had thrown it to him then what would I protect myself with, then i said HALT IT!!! i need my sleep b/c i can't play 20 questions with myself trying to figure out WHY... then random thoughts starts to creep into my head about why hasn't the girl called me back that I just met on Christmas, that is when i decided to pee to clear my mind and went to sleep without any issues.
I don't know why i'm typing this shit out and if ppl even care to read the inner workings of my mind. Anyways, i checked for an erection, there wasn't any b/c it was a bad dream.
When i woke up this morning at 9am, I had an erection of 75% and wanted to see if it could be stimulated further. So I go youporn.com to watch a tutorial on doggy style (haha). That definitely got things really going, I climaxed after 5-7 mins. I don't know exactly b/c i wasn't really timing myself. I think i can last longer if i stayed focused on doing time trials. Remember, this isn't the Olympics, just a brotha checking out his mojo. Anyhow, for those who want to know my favorite position is day 04 on the karma sutra link (click link and play video How to do 28 kama sutra positions) If you don't care, then don't click. My ejaculate was watery again like yesterday and I don't understand why it is. It seems to be a recent development where my morning ejaculate has been watery with no substance.
ahhh, you guys must think that i'm a spokesperson for youporn, no, just an avid user. Hey it is the only free shit around, so don't knock it.
Doctor on Monday, gave me a slip for some blood test for Free and Total Testosterone, FSH and LH, I think i should get Estradiol tested b/c nolvadex increases this hormone, Do u guys think i should get my liver enzymes tested, or any additional blood tests?
hey i'm out to make some friends here. so if you read and you like... just stop by to my profile and say hi on the vistor's board. Since, i'm the new guy here, i don't know anyone other than the ppl who post to my journal.
question for thrombus 
hehe), i originally was going to do a different PCT program when i was considering PCTs and bought the exact amount needed for it.
Now, I'm just trying to get my ducks in a row (american expression: getting and organizing my supplies) to sustain my PCT program.
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