Can HRT cure Congestive Heart Disease?

[1cc]

Thanks for the update carbonium. Glad to see you are doing well.

[carbonium]

Originally Posted by kataking

great work! Interested why you dropped the HGH?

I dropped the HGH just 2 months ago because it was messing with my blood sugar. It was increasing my insulin resistance and I was going hypoglycemic after eating carbs. I had to eat only small portions of the lowest glycemic foods 6 times a day or my blood sugar would crash to 48-55 after a meal. Even protein powder would crash my blood sugar.

It looks like I also had bad adrenal fatigue like other forum members posted. (AWESOME WORK 1cc and Love_en you hit that on the button) Now that I'm on hydrocortisone and can handle Thyroid my doc says I can start back on it HGH after giving my adrenals a few months rest. I've only been on the Cortisone for 10 days. it fixed my blood sugar problems on the first dose. I don't know if I want to go back on HGH as it's about $800 per month and my IGF-1 was not bad to start with. Lot's of posts about people ending up diabetic after long term HGH use. They even put me on Metformin to help with insulin resistance. I'm pretty sure I don't need metformin now that my adrenals are supplemented.

The Adrenal problems I think were medicine induced. I was on beta blockers for 25 years. I'm just weening off it now. My original doctor put me on beta blockers because I had too many catecholamines, skipping heart beats and was very hyper. Beta Blockers have been shown to reduce Testosterone by 40% and they totally mess with your adrenals.

I'm doing awesome and this forum helped save my life. I don't post much but I'm always reading here. The pictures didn't upload yet but you need to see the difference. I look 10-12 years younger. Most people don't believe I'm 45 and argue that I'm lying to them.

[carbonium]

This attached picture was taken on July 2006. My Aviator is July 2008.

[kataking]

Wow. Thats impressive, Congratulations on turning your health around.

[carbonium]

FIRST Look at the picture I posted above in Message #13 of this thread. It's worth the look.

Now if you want motivation then look at these attached images. This is what you get when you have no desire to sit still and die. 11 Months ago I was stuck in the FACE while walking by a drunk driver driving a big Truck. It was a Felony Hit and Run and the driver is still wanted by police.

I have 5 Titanium plates in my face! The fat face is really just sweling as I had a huge amount of blood that pooled in my neck. I have $150,000 worth of hospital bills but I survived I'm doing 100 times better then I was just years ago.

I couldn't work out for 8-9 months because of the healing time, brain injury's, vertigo and balance problems. I've only been working out for the last 2 months. Yes I even put on muscle when unable to work out at all. I'll update my pictures again in a month or so as I put on a few pounds of muscle this month since I can actually Workout now.

So does anyone have any doubts if hormone replacement therapy actually works? Remember with my docs permission. I actually lowered my test dosages to 160mg per week so that I kept in the healthiest testosterone range. I'm 255 pounds in the latest pictures

The lat spread and cowboy hat picture are 1 month ago.
The busted up face pic is 11 months ago.

[JanSz]

Thanks for posting your inspirational story.

[HeadDoc]

even Dr. Issy on Fox News this AM endorsed TRT once proper assessment was completed. He categorically rejected the ideas that TRT was responsible for prostate cancer or coronary problems. The thread is a great case report. would like to see periodic follow ups.

[marianco]

If you read the work of Mark Starr and Broda Barnes, you will realize that Congestive Heart Failure is one outcome of low thyroid hormone - hypothyroidism.

They used Thyroid Hormone to treat Congestive Heart Failure successfully.

Additionally, the presence of Low Free-3 reduces one's chance of survival from Congestive Heart Failure.

Adrenal fatigue will reduce tolerance of thyroid hormone since thyroid hormone increases the workload of the adrenal glands. A symptom of this is palpitations. If very slowly increased, and with adequate nutrition, thyroid hormone may improve adrenal fatigue. But not always.

Thus if adrenal fatigue is present, it should be addressed so that thyroid hormone can be increased to more optimal levels.

Testosterone, if used excessively, reduces ACTH production and also directly reduces adrenal activity. This can worsen adrenal fatigue. For some men, this is why testosterone replacement is intolerable. Rather than improve one's sense of well-being, it causes anxiety or irritability. Thus adrenal function has to be attended to during TRT.

Exogenous testosterone (i.e. TRT) will also reduce thyroid releasing hormone release from the testes - as part of suppressing endogenous testosterone production by reducing LH production. This can also lead to lower thyroid hormone production, worsening hypothyroidism. Thus one needs to pay attention to thyroid status during TRT.

Testosterone, of course, may help in Congestive Heart Failure. For one, it improves circulation in the coronary arteries. But the potential adverse effects have to also be watched and addressed to keep it a successful component of treatment.

Thyroid hormone treatment requires attending to nutrition. There is a higher need for nutrients when one's metabolism is increased with higher thyroid hormone levels. Without adequate nutrition, thyroid hormone treatment potentially can lead to cardiac arrhythmias or even Congestive Heart Failure.

Growth Hormone reduces adrenal function by up to 30%. If adrenal fatigue is present, it is worsened by Growth Hormone. The potential negative effects of growth hormone on other hormones is an important reason to first optimize the other hormones before considering growth hormone treatment. And then with treatment, the other hormone systems also have to be monitored and addressed should negative effects of Growth Hormone occur - such as the increase in insulin resistance and potential worsening of diabetes.

IGF-1 is not only determine by Growth Hormone. When Thyroid, DHEA, and Testosterone, for example, are optimized, then IGF-1 may increase significantly whether or not Growth Hormone is used.

[pmgamer18]

Good to hear from you Dr. marianco how are you good I hope.

For the longest time I thought I had Congestive Heart Disease after taking care of my Mother in law she passed on 2 yrs ago at age 86. I felt a lot of the symptoms she had trouble breathing weak. I am hypopituitary on Testosterone, HCG, Cortef 30mgs a day, Armour 3.5 grains a day and Florinef .1mgs a day. Still doing all of this I was still fatigued and had trouble breathing. Then the mods at the thyroid forum pushed me to get my Ferritin tested and I was below normal.

I went on Iron pills doing 2 pills a day of Ferrous Fumarate 324 mg - 106 mg Elemental Iron.
At the time I had bad heartburn and reflux for yrs. I could not believe after on the iron pills my fatigue, breathing, heartburn and reflux are going. Then later we had to lower my dose of Armour I went hyper. The thing is my Dr. lowered me to low down from 4 grains to 3 and in 4 months my Free T3 came down from 375 to 300 and the heartburn and reflux are back. I have been reading about low thyroid causing low stomach acid can you tell us about this. I am back up to 3.5 grains and taking NOW® Super Enzymes 3 tablets at each meal this is helping a lot.

It is hard to keep my iron levels up and wonder if the low stomach acid is the cause. I have been mixing Vit. B-12, Folic Acid and a multi Vit. with some DMSO and putting an eye dropper full on my arms once a week. I am hoping this will help bring up my Iron levels been on iron pills for 9 months not levels are coming up very slow went down to one pill a day and levels when down. Here is a link about DMSO I am doing this with my Dr..
Anemia

How is the book going.

[1cc]

Thanks for the great post Marianco.

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

It is hard to keep my iron levels up and wonder if the low stomach acid is the cause. I have been mixing Vit. B-12, Folic Acid and a multi Vit. with some DMSO and putting an eye dropper full on my arms once a week. I am hoping this will help bring up my Iron levels been on iron pills for 9 months not levels are coming up very slow went down to one pill a day and levels when down. Here is a link about DMSO I am doing this with my Dr..
Anemia

Phil,

In order for iron to absorb properly you need to take it on an empty stomach with 250mg-500mg vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid). Don't take anything else with the iron. The iron may bother your stomach taking it this way.