Can HRT cure Congestive Heart Disease?

[carbonium]

I'm 42 6'3" 285 pounds about 25% BF. Conventional doctors told me I have congestive heart failure, Sleep Apnea( I'm using a BIPAP ST at 20/12 pressure), Asthma, Gout, ED, Ascites, Reflux, Osteopenia etc,.. Basically a total mess. I've been on Atenolol 50mg for 15 years, Lasix 40mg for 3 years. I've also been on and off of digoxin for 20 years. Asthma meds just made me sick.

I Finally found a doctor that does HRT therapy. I started just one month ago.

Here were my abnormal lab tests:
Testosterone (saliva) 46 pg/ml Lab range 50-200
Insulin was 26.8 normal is 1-15
Progesterone Low at 19 out of a 25-100 range
T3 2.5 out of 2.5-6.5 range(3-4 optimal)
T4 .9 out of .7-2.5 range (1-2 optimal)
TSH (blood Spot) 3.0 .5-3.0 (.5-2 optimal)
IGF-1 was fine. It was 226 out of a 100-300 range.

Here is my script.
1 iu Somatropin per day 7 days per week.
1 grain Armor every day. ( I only take .25 grains per day. 1 grain was too much to handle.
.5mg Anastrozole every day.
200mg Test Cyp home injection per week.
500IU HCG days 5 and 6.

Last month I could not jog 50 feet. Any exercise left my heart exhausted for 1-2 days. Now I can body board in the ocean for 2 hours at a time. I can finally jog again for 2-3 miles(At 285 pounds). I hit the gym 3-4 times per week. I no longer have any asthma. My Ascites is gone. I can now eat any foods without pain nausea. My acid reflux and gout are gone. My strengh at the gym has almost doubled in just 30 days? I can exersize and within hours my heart rate is back at 60's instead of taking 24-48 hours to recover. My ED is gone. My Sleep Apnea has not changed yet but I'm hoping it will improve when I take off 40-50 pounds.

I've been slowly cutting out all my doctors meds and every day I feel on top of the world. In those 30 days I haven't lost a pound of weight but I would guess I put on 10 pounds of muscle and lost 10 pounds of fat.

My questions: Isn't 200mg per week of Test Cyp way to much for long term use??? I'm 285 and my Lean body mass is about 215 pounds. I know everyone is different. I'll be getting my second set of ZRT Lab tests in 4-6 weeks. But I was wondering if I should cut back to 100-150mg of Test per week(against docs scripts for 200mg per week. Then adjust up if needed?

Also I noticed the HGH caused my fasting Glucose to jump from 80-85 to 115-119. After a month it's back to 90-99 eating low glycemic foods.

Also can HRT really improve heart function that much or am I just kidding myself thinking my heart will just keep getting stronger over time on HRT?

[pmgamer18]

I was in a lot of pain doing gels my levels were not high enough and the T was not getting to my joints and muscles. I read Dr. John's site www.allthingsmale.com his TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG update. I started on shots last yr. It's been a year now and in a short time my joint and muscle pain was gone. I was out walking and later was able to go to the gym and work out on there machines. I was doing this 3 days a week and I lost over 65 lbs. but I am doing Weight Watchers also this helps to lose weight. I have not pain anymore and the heart is a muscle so this can be true. But I feel you need to go slow at this set backs are a bitch. I did so good until winter I get sick most of the winter this last winter I have Bronchitis 3 months could not get over it and still not back to where I was last year. But I did find out that I am Hypopituitary and this is why I get so sick in the winter. If I can get my Dr. to put me on HGH I feel this will take care of the problem. I am waiting for a saliva test to check my cortisol levels and Thyroid. But I don't feel checking T levels using saliva are good you need to have them checked with a blood test.

Please don't stop meds with out a Dr. taking you off them you have been through enough shit. I did yrs. ago and payed the price for it.

I feel 200mgs of T every week are a lot I what = 150mgs. but I do my shots every 3 days to help keep my Estradiol down and to keep me leveled no more ups and downs. I do 64 mgs. of 200mgs/ml of Depo T every 3 days the the days between I do 350 IU's of HCG.

I have been on TRT for over 22 yrs. now 62 yrs. old what I am doing now has me feeling the best ever.

Take it from an old timer go slow and listen to your body if you feel off take a day off. Don't get into a routine like most of us type A's do and keep making impossible goals for your self. Just let it happen I am glaid to here someone post how dam good they are doing.

[1cc]

Carbonium,

Congratulations, I'm glad it's working out well for you. I also used to have Acid Reflux that went away on TRT, and treating Adrenals.

200mg per week is too high. Usually 100mg per week is sufficient for most guys. Problem is that with 100mg per week your levels will drop off too much the 2 days before your next shot. That's why 250iu of HCG is added in for the 2 days before the next shot per Dr. John's protocol. To get even better levels and avoid Estrogen conversion problems, you can do your shots every 3 days like Phil is doing and do 250iu HCG the day before your next shot. I believe if you have blood sugar related issues, you need to be cautious with HGH, but not sure of the specifics. TRT at appropriate doses should help your blood sugar problems tremendously. If your T is too high, it can cause blood sugar problems. Check this link, SWALE is Dr. John Crisler www.allthingsmale.com http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/432234-post11.html

[carbonium]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

I was in a lot of pain doing gels my levels were not high enough and the T was not getting to my joints and muscles. I read Dr. John's site www.allthingsmale.com his TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG update. I started on shots last yr. It's been a year now and in a short time my joint and muscle pain was gone. I was out walking and later was able to go to the gym and work out on there machines. I was doing this 3 days a week and I lost over 65 lbs. but I am doing Weight Watchers also this helps to lose weight. I have not pain anymore and the heart is a muscle so this can be true. But I feel you need to go slow at this set backs are a bitch. I did so good until winter I get sick most of the winter this last winter I have Bronchitis 3 months could not get over it and still not back to where I was last year. But I did find out that I am Hypopituitary and this is why I get so sick in the winter. .

Thanks for taking the time to post.

Have you tried "Mucinex" for your Bronchitis? My doctors were treating me with albuterol and Flovent for asthma(I've only shown signs of asthma for 4 years). This just made me really sick. I really didn't think it was asthma but more like fluid and mucus in my lungs and bronchial tubes. More from CHF so 6 months ago I switched to over the counter Mucinex and stopped the asthma meds. First 600mg a day then 1200. Within days of starting Mucinex (Plus lot's of water) I was coughing up thick secretions(I've never smoked in my life) This lasted for 3-4 weeks and it cleared up 80% of my wheezing and asthma symptom's.

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

If I can get my Dr. to put me on HGH I feel this will take care of the problem. I am waiting for a saliva test to check my cortisol levels and Thyroid. But I don't feel checking T levels using saliva are good you need to have them checked with a blood test. .

My breathing problems seem to be gone in just 30 days. I don't know if it was the HGH or Test.

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

I feel 200mgs of T every week are a lot I what = 150mgs. but I do my shots every 3 days to help keep my Estradiol down and to keep me leveled no more ups and downs. I do 64 mgs. of 200mgs/ml of Depo T every 3 days the the days between I do 350 IU's of HCG.

I agree that 200mg Test seems like too much. While I'm making incredible gains in the gym my goal is to get as healthy as possible. Everything else is secondary. I would like to see my triglyceridess and LDL go down over getting big and I know too little Test causes problems but so does too much. That's why I wanted to drop the dosage to 100mg or 150mg. Then after the 2nd blood tests up the dosage if needed.

[pmgamer18]

I did the Mucinex when I was suffering with the Bronchitis it helped some my Dr. has me on Singulair 10 mgs. at night for 30 days it's helping some. I feel your better because of the HGH everything I read about doing HGH says it helps with Bronchitis problems. I am also taking supplements to help my adrenal's. Been taking my Temp for some time now and this last week it is steady at 98. Here is a link about it my be of some help to you.
http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

[greyowl]

Originally Posted by carbonium

My questions: Isn't 200mg per week of Test Cyp way to much for long term use???

Also can HRT really improve heart function that much or am I just kidding myself thinking my heart will just keep getting stronger over time on HRT?

Under the general principle of "If it ain't broke don't fuck with it" why would you want to start changing your dosages? You're making tremendous progress quickly under your current regimen, and you're doing it under the supervision of a docotr who seems to know what he's doing, so why change? What exactly is your problem?

Yeah 200 mg is about twice as high as a regular HRT dose but so what? What is the downside? The arimidex at .5 mg ed will take of any elevated estro levels you would otherwise have run into. Keep a close eye on your cholesterol levels. What other problems can there be? Now of course, 200 mgs will shut down yourt HTPA's production of testosterone, but so will 125 mgs, and your test levels weren't adequate to begin with.

My advise is to stick with your current regimen. Maybe your doctor has set you at a high level because of a mitigating circumstance you haven't mentioned. Whatever, don;t go adjusating your dosages without discussing the changes with him first.

[pmgamer18]

I guess when I talk to posters I asume you all are talking about upping or lowing your doses with your Dr. Please don't not mess with your drugs with your Dr. doing it.

[love_en]

Something caught my eye in this thread. "1 gr. Armour, only take 0.25 cannot tolerate any more". Progesterone is low. I do not see any blood work for evaluation of adrenal function. Thyroid and adrenal problems often co-exist. The asthma is another red flag. I have a cousin who has undiagnosed/untreated adrenal problems. She is also asthmatic. What is diagnostic is how well she does on 5 mg prednisone per day.

[carbonium]

See Attached pictures. The fat one is June 2006 at 285 pounds and the back shot is July 2008 at about 255 pounds.

I started this thread 2 years ago. The answer is YES!
HRT cured my Congestive heart Failure.

After blood tests a full body scan and Echocardiogram my doctor said I have no evidence of any heart problems at all. My Asthma is gone, my sleep apnea is 2/3's gone. Gout and ED gone. Ascites and Reflux gone. Etc,..

At 45 years old and 250 pounds I workout and run 4 miles 3 times per week.


I'm on 160mg Test Cyp per week.
.25mg arimidex per day
500IU's HCG per week.
1.5 grains thyroid t3/t4 per day
25mg hydrocort per day

[kataking]

great work! Interested why you dropped the HGH?