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Old 11-27-2008, 01:47 AM
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Hi guys, just wondering if anyone can help me on this. I'm sorry my first post is such a long one, and thank you for your patience reading it.
I'm 33yo and I've just started hrt. I was a keen athlete up until about 5 years ago when I lost the plot someone and began abusing drugs in a large and very stupid way. At one stage I was taking obscene amounts of recreational drugs as well as vetinary stanozolol and I think this is the combination that chemically nuetered me. I went to several doctors and kept scoring consistently low test levels but they all told me test would return naturally, eventually. It didn't, and the depression was acute.
Finally I found a doctor who took pity on me and prescribed me sustanon. The effect was immediate and I felt like I had my life back again.
My questions are these: Does anyone know by what mechanism recreational drugs can lower endogenous test levels, and can it be reversed?
Secondly my doctor has prescribed pregnyl at 1500iu every 2 days. From what I'm reading here that seems too much, but I don't want to tell my only lifeline how to suck eggs. Would I be better off using the pregnyl less frequently or not at all at that dose? I'm not even sure if hcg is available at lower doses in Australia.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Thats meant to read 'Lost the plot somewhat'. Not 'someone'.
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Hi guys, just wondering if anyone can help me on this. I'm sorry my first post is such a long one, and thank you for your patience reading it.
I'm 33yo and I've just started hrt. I was a keen athlete up until about 5 years ago when I lost the plot someone and began abusing drugs in a large and very stupid way. At one stage I was taking obscene amounts of recreational drugs as well as vetinary stanozolol and I think this is the combination that chemically nuetered me. I went to several doctors and kept scoring consistently low test levels but they all told me test would return naturally, eventually. It didn't, and the depression was acute.
Finally I found a doctor who took pity on me and prescribed me sustanon. The effect was immediate and I felt like I had my life back again.
My questions are these: Does anyone know by what mechanism recreational drugs can lower endogenous test levels, and can it be reversed?
Secondly my doctor has prescribed pregnyl at 1500iu every 2 days. From what I'm reading here that seems too much, but I don't want to tell my only lifeline how to suck eggs. Would I be better off using the pregnyl less frequently or not at all at that dose? I'm not even sure if hcg is available at lower doses in Australia.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Sustenon best bet would be taken EOD with HCG taken the day inbetween but more so like at 150 ius not 1500 ius thats just totally crazy,,
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Hi guys, just wondering if anyone can help me on this. I'm sorry my first post is such a long one, and thank you for your patience reading it.
I'm 33yo and I've just started hrt. I was a keen athlete up until about 5 years ago when I lost the plot someone and began abusing drugs in a large and very stupid way. At one stage I was taking obscene amounts of recreational drugs as well as vetinary stanozolol and I think this is the combination that chemically nuetered me. I went to several doctors and kept scoring consistently low test levels but they all told me test would return naturally, eventually. It didn't, and the depression was acute.
Finally I found a doctor who took pity on me and prescribed me sustanon. The effect was immediate and I felt like I had my life back again.
My questions are these: Does anyone know by what mechanism recreational drugs can lower endogenous test levels, and can it be reversed?
Secondly my doctor has prescribed pregnyl at 1500iu every 2 days. From what I'm reading here that seems too much, but I don't want to tell my only lifeline how to suck eggs. Would I be better off using the pregnyl less frequently or not at all at that dose? I'm not even sure if hcg is available at lower doses in Australia.Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Most likely you are screwed up for life.
Any PCT if probably waste of time.
But it is personal decission.

You have got smart doctor.
He is trying to figure out if your testis are still working and looks like they are.
If testis are working properly they may provide all the testosterone that you need.
If they work but not 100% then you still should use testis as much as possible and only touch up on external testosterone to get where you need to be.
Pregnyl or any other HCG is delivered as shots, you can adjust dose to any size that you want.

Success of theraphy depends on monitoring proper indicators and adjusting them to the goals.

Since you live in Australia, additional problem may be figuring out real sensitive estradiol test.
It have to be the most sensitive E2 test that you guys have down under.
Per USA standards we want to have E2(20-30)pg/mL
Over or under that range for long time you are risking serious health issues, cardivascular or bone and joint problems.

Your plan.
Stay on EOD schedule with HCG shots.
Your current 1500iu is probably the highest that you want to go.
More common dose would be a dose of 1000-500iu
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thanks for that, very informative.
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