Men's Health Forum: This is a discussion on Huge problems (starting to get really scared) within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; I don't know, I'm starting to get really concerned. I mean not only that I am totally skinny and fat ...
I don't know, I'm starting to get really concerned. I mean not only that I am totally skinny and fat at the same time while having low testosterone and a female fat distribution and that I cannot even do 3 push-ups. That's already bad enough but now within a few weeks my health has become really bad to a point where it really starts to scare me. An orthopaedist once told me that I have bad ligaments which have too much play and sometimes my wrists also used to crack but now all of a sudden both of my wrists crack at nearly every move which I do and sometimes they also hurt and my knees also crack! They feel totally weak. When I turn or walk in circles then it feels as if my knees are twisted in the joint, as if they have too much play, too. And my knuckle all of a sudden also cracks at nearly every step which I take! And my hip also hurts. Everything hurts. I feel like an old man. What's going on?
This is like a nighmare, I feel like in a Kafka movie. What shall I do now? It seems as if my body is so weak and feeble that it cannot even tolerate normal training. I don't train heavy. When I train legs I always do 10 or more reps and in spite of this my body doesn't seem to be able to tolerate it, this is a joke. What am I supposed to do? Lie in bed all day or what? This isn't normal. Something's very wrong but I don't know what it is. If you spent a day with me and I told you whenever something hurts in my body you'd think I'm crazy but it's true. There is not one day where I don't have pain. Something is always hurting.
I don't know, I'm starting to get really concerned. I mean not only that I am totally skinny and fat at the same time while having low testosterone and a female fat distribution and that I cannot even do 3 push-ups. That's already bad enough but now within a few weeks my health has become really bad to a point where it really starts to scare me. An orthopaedist once told me that I have bad ligaments which have too much play and sometimes my wrists also used to crack but now all of a sudden both of my wrists crack at nearly every move which I do and sometimes they also hurt and my knees also crack! They feel totally weak. When I turn or walk in circles then it feels as if my knees are twisted in the joint, as if they have too much play, too. And my knuckle all of a sudden also cracks at nearly every step which I take! And my hip also hurts. Everything hurts. I feel like an old man. What's going on?
This is like a nighmare, I feel like in a Kafka movie. What shall I do now? It seems as if my body is so weak and feeble that it cannot even tolerate normal training. I don't train heavy. When I train legs I always do 10 or more reps and in spite of this my body doesn't seem to be able to tolerate it, this is a joke. What am I supposed to do? Lie in bed all day or what? This isn't normal. Something's very wrong but I don't know what it is. If you spent a day with me and I told you whenever something hurts in my body you'd think I'm crazy but it's true. There is not one day where I don't have pain. Something is always hurting.
Post all the blood tests that you have with ranges, units and laboratory names.
My depression went away about 9 monts after I had higher T levels.
It pays to be persistant.
I read on another thread that you have low T and are scared of developing worse acne and baldness. If you feel that bad, I would forget about how you look, get on TRT and start feeling better. I would much rather feel like a man WITH acne, than feel the way you say you do. It is dangerous to your overall health not to go on TRT. You can shorten your life span. The cracking in your joints sounds like its from the low T and if so, oestio is just around the bend.
And honestly, this is the first time ive ever heard anyone who is more concerned about going bald than starting TRT....there are ways to control the aomount of DHT conversion (and I dont mean finasteride - dont touch that shit) by which method of TRT you use. You do have control over that one.
I read on another thread that you have low T and are scared of developing worse acne and baldness. If you feel that bad, I would forget about how you look, get on TRT and start feeling better. I would much rather feel like a man WITH acne, than feel the way you say you do. It is dangerous to your overall health not to go on TRT. You can shorten your life span. The cracking in your joints sounds like its from the low T and if so, oestio is just around the bend.
And honestly, this is the first time ive ever heard anyone who is more concerned about going bald than starting TRT....there are ways to control the aomount of DHT conversion (and I dont mean finasteride - dont touch that shit) by which method of TRT you use. You do have control over that one.
Good start: http://www.pfizer.com/pfizer/downloa...stosterone.pdf
Depo®-Testosterone---200 mg/mL
100mg/week=0.5mL/week
E3D dose = 0.5/7*3=0.214mL=0.214cc=21marks on insuline syringe, '=0.21/3*7*200=98
E2D dose = 0.5/7*2=0.143mL=0.143cc=14marks on insuline syringe, '=0.14/2*7*200=98
Add to that HCG 250iu/ per shot.
I suggest do T and HCG shots in one day, have another day free of shots.
Do this for 6 months, promise you depression will start lifting.
Latter on you may try shots one day then two days free, (recalculate individual dose so T/week stays same)
Use 27, 28 or even 29Ga insuline needles, have to be 1/2cc syringes they have a smaller pistons, easier to draw.
RE: Use 27, 28 or even 29Ga insulin needles, have to be 1/2cc syringes they have a smaller pistons, easier to draw.
Do you find it difficult to draw Test (specifically Test Cyp) with a 29 gauge insulin needle? Also is the Test (which is obviously being injected subQ) injected in the stomach area as with HcG? Finally is it possible to inject the HcG at the same time with same syringe/needle as the Test... I thought that I read somewhere on one of the forums (not sure if this one or not) where someone was doing that. They'd draw the HcG normally and then draw the Test with the regular syringe and a 22 gauge needle and remove the piston from the insulin needle and inject the Test into the insulin syringe, replace the piston, turning the syringe upside down and tap it until the (large I would assume) air bubble dissipated and the liquid was all up at the needle end and then inject into the stomach area as with HcG subQ shots are regularly done.
Also, on a 1cc insulin syringe, how many levels up (units... or ticks) would constitute 50mg for Test (I do 50 mg of Test twice a week along with 300 IU of HcG - but on a different day).
Anyone ever notice an increase in E2 or Total Estrogens from doing Test subQ in the stomach area?
RE: Use 27, 28 or even 29Ga insulin needles, have to be 1/2cc syringes they have a smaller pistons, easier to draw.
Do you find it difficult to draw Test (specifically Test Cyp) with a 29 gauge insulin needle? Also is the Test (which is obviously being injected subQ) injected in the stomach area as with HcG? Finally is it possible to inject the HcG at the same time with same syringe/needle as the Test... I thought that I read somewhere on one of the forums (not sure if this one or not) where someone was doing that. They'd draw the HcG normally and then draw the Test with the regular syringe and a 22 gauge needle and remove the piston from the insulin needle and inject the Test into the insulin syringe, replace the piston, turning the syringe upside down and tap it until the (large I would assume) air bubble dissipated and the liquid was all up at the needle end and then inject into the stomach area as with HcG subQ shots are regularly done.
Also, on a 1cc insulin syringe, how many levels up (units... or ticks) would constitute 50mg for Test (I do 50 mg of Test twice a week along with 300 IU of HcG - but on a different day).
Anyone ever notice an increase in E2 or Total Estrogens from doing Test subQ in the stomach area?
IIRC Vforcer2 is using (T+HCG) subQ around navel area.
Messing up with 22ga needle is not worth the trouble.
I would not use the same needle for HCG and T, but some people are reusing the same needle (KSman) for the same product, ie; ether hcg or T.
HCG, fill up 1cc needle fully, use it four times, each, that will make 250IU for each dose.
You can fiddle with amount of water to make HCG more potent and get more doses from one syrynge, handy during travel.
Depo®-Testosterone---200 mg/mL
100mg/week=0.5mL/week
E3D dose = 0.5/7*3=0.214mL=0.214cc=21marks on insuline syringe, '=0.21/3*7*200=98
You should use 1/2cc syringe if you want to use subQ, 28 or 29Ga
that is 21marks on insuline syringe, one syringe filled up to 42 marks= 2 doses
Does this mean that if I get on TRT and control DHT at the same time then I cannot get acne and also not get bald? But doesn't blocking DHT also have negative side effects? Isn't DHT important and how can it be blocked if you don't want Finasteride? Fina and Duta are the only ways as far as I know.
I really cannot tell if my bad ligaments are related to my low T but it's really starting to scare me. I have never had this before. I think it also comes from training my legs which is over 10 days ago!
The next day after training the legs I directly noticed that my knuckles cracked and that my knees felt strange, kind of weak and unstable. And it has been this way since then. It's really ridiculous. I don't train heavy. On this day I did squats in a squat machine where you're lying on your back. I was using a weight where I got between 10 and 20 reps. It wasn't that heavy. And I also did leg extensions. But the weights which I train with are not high. I don't have much strength and in spite of this my body doesn't even seem able to tolerate this! This is sick.
I have no clue why. Just to give you an impression of my ligaments. When I grab my hand and pull it then I can pull the hand out of the joint for a few millimetres. Or when I simply put my hand around my wrist of my other hand and then squeeze it then I also notice that I can pull it out of the joint this way.
Today I was watching Tv and lying on the bed and I noticed that my knuckle cracks every time where I move my foot. I could trigger it. I simply had to move the foot a bit from left to right and it would crack every single time.
But I also don't know if low T can cause this or if it's something else. I have no clue. I will go to an urologist this week and see what he says. I am so done with all endocrinologists I will not go to them again. I will hear what the urologist says and then get back to you and ask you what you think because I'm really scared of making a mistake and maybe getting on TRT and then messing it up.
my last test results:
Testo ng/ml 3.55 Normal Range: 2.6-15.9
SHBG nmol/l 26 Normal Range: 13-71
Free Androgen Index 48%
IGF1 ng/ml 235 Normal Range:115-358
Estradiol Normal Range : < 56 pg/ml
I had below 20pg/ml so it was too low to be measured.
TSH 1.72 Normal Range: 0.4-2.5
fT4 pmol/l 16.7 Normal Range: 10.3-24.5
fT3 pg/ml 3.1 Normal Range: 1.8-5.2
Last edited by skinny and depressed; 06-12-2007 at 04:45 PM.
Im not sure that the correct treatment because I done know what the problem is yet. No good to do TRT and nothing else if TRT isnt the right treatment.
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