Injections VS gels - MESO-Rx

GDSGFT · #1 (**permalink**) 04-02-2005, 12:49 AM

To Swale or any other experienced members in this field.

Was wondering which of the two were worse in terms of acne and hairloss. I've read an article somewhere saying that the gels aromatise more than the injections and produce more DHT, not too sure how concrete the information is.

Thanks in advance

earthdog · #2 (**permalink**) 04-02-2005, 01:32 AM

The gels do produce more DHT due to an enzyme in the skin, that's a fact. That can be good or bad, depending. Not sure whether they aromatize more or not.

Most of the bros who have used both gels and cyp seem to prefer cyp. Not all, but it seems like most do. I have seen a common complaint that the gels work for a while, then they don't produce the same effect later on.

MrDurden · #3 (**permalink**) 04-04-2005, 01:25 AM

I definitely saw a difference when on gel in the past. I had reddish blemishes on my scalp where my hair was thinning. Made me think more hair was being "killed off"!

I also noticed an increase "male" hair growth. It seemed like the hair was denser on my body, and perhaps longer.

My other gel complaint was a lowering of my total T. This was all on 5gm/day. DHT was above normal.

GDSGFT · #4 (**permalink**) 04-04-2005, 04:17 AM

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

SWALE · #5 (**permalink**) 04-04-2005, 10:51 PM

Estrogen may more likely rise on transdermals.

gemini · #6 (**permalink**) 04-23-2005, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SWALE

Estrogen may more likely rise on transdermals.

I was under the impression that injectible T caused higher Estrogens than transdermals.

Astrozombie · #7 (**permalink**) 04-23-2005, 08:09 PM

Any "common man" answer for the difference in the estrogen / acne / hairloss between the two? I would think that if the medication and dosage were the same then the side effects would be the same, but obviously I am wrong.

Now that you mentioned it though, when I was on the gel I did seem to have a super greasy forehead and while I have always had a slight acne problem it seems to be better on the injectibles than on the gel.

earthdog · #8 (**permalink**) 04-24-2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Astrozombie

Any "common man" answer for the difference in the estrogen / acne / hairloss between the two? I would think that if the medication and dosage were the same then the side effects would be the same, but obviously I am wrong.

One of the things that testosterone converts to is DHT. That is the hormone that is, to quote Swale, "responsible for All Things Male." But DHT is also responsible for male pattern baldness. The skin contains an enzyme that coverts testosterone to DHT. Therefore, testosterone applied transdermally (through the skin) will have a higher conversion rate to DHT than injected testosterone will, and therefore will be somewhat more likely to produce male pattern baldness, if you are genetically predisposed to male pattern baldness. If you are not genetically predisposed to it, then there is no problem there. Injected testosterone will also convert to DHT, but at a lower rate than transdermally applied testosterone.

I don't know if DHT can also cause acne. My guess is that it can. Perhaps someone can answer that.

Weatherlite · #9 (**permalink**) 04-24-2005, 05:55 PM

DHT can contribute to acne. Ironically, many think that too much T causes acne. Well, yes it does but so can too much E or rather a bad T to E ratio. Sounds crazy but my E levels haven't changed much since I started TRT. They've gone up a little bit. But, since starting TRT my acne has gotten better! (yes I took accutane but it got better before I started it) It was pretty horrible before and then went down to just horrible afterwards.

So don't just look to the T side of the house when it comes to acne!

pmgamer18 · #10 (**permalink**) 04-24-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Astrozombie

Any "common man" answer for the difference in the estrogen / acne / hairloss between the two? I would think that if the medication and dosage were the same then the side effects would be the same, but obviously I am wrong.

Now that you mentioned it though, when I was on the gel I did seem to have a super greasy forehead and while I have always had a slight acne problem it seems to be better on the injectibles than on the gel.

I found the same thing my forehead was super greasy on the gel and my DHT was 2x's above the range of my lab. Yet my E2 goes up faster on shots then on the gels but doing the gels I don't feel as good as I do on the shots.
I did a search a long time ago on DHT and all I could find was stuff about hair loss. But one day I found this and it is worth a read.
A link to "The FACTS & MYTHS About: DHT.
Phil

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/reform8.htm