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Oh well... I wanted the surgery anyway because I've heard that people who have a physiological predisposition for gyno ...
Oh well... I wanted the surgery anyway because I've heard that people who have a physiological predisposition for gyno will get it no matter the amount of exogeneous test. Even if that's wrong; I have it and surgery is my only option.
Little lump directly behind the actual nipple that's sore as hell. And because it hurts and causes me pain, my insurance considers the surgery a 'medical necessity' and will cover 100% of the cost.
Most of the info/faq sites that I've found about gyno are crap... anyone have any sites in mind that are VERY informative about what I can expect from the sugery and whether or not I still have a chance of developing gyno after the surgery?
BTW... I get my bloodwork back tomorrow, and I'll keep yall posted on the situation. But my doc did diagnose me with gyno.
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How long have you been on TRT? How long did it take the gyno to develop?
I've been on HRT since april 13th, 2005. So not long. But keep in mind, I've NEVER had normal levels of test, and there ARE people who are sensative to even 'low-normal' levels of estrogen.
BTW... my protocol is 250mg every 10 days right now with no anti-e's or hCG. I know, I know.. it'll change as soon as I can find a good doc.
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IMPO, I would not recommend mastectomy for a couple of small "lumps". Frank gynocomastia is the development of mammary tissue, and I would not sustain the discomfort and risk of surgery in absence of same. These painful lumps can be caused by mere changes in hormone levels, and often disappear once things equalize.
The answer to HeadDoc's question is "yes". I'd try high dose SERM therapy for awhile first.
On the other hand, if you have it removed--ALL of the glandular tissue--you will never have gyno again. You also then will not be at risk for male breast cancer (I have been First Assist on two bilateral mastectomies on males for this disease).
You definitely do need estrogen control. Gyno is a common presenting symptom of hypogonadism. Usually it clears once hormones are properly tuned up, though.
Swale, do they ever remove all the glandular tissue? I thougth they leave a
button sized amount to support the nipple?
BTW, Kroms_laugh, do a search for "gyno"; someone here recently went thru gyno surgery, and there was lots of discussion about pre and post op if you're interested in having surgery.
And because it hurts and causes me pain, my insurance considers the surgery a 'medical necessity' and will cover 100% of the cost.
I think my gyno just started to 'hurt and cause me pain'. Well, it hurts my 'personal feelings', anyway.
Seriously, I will gladly go through the trauma of having my mammary glands removed if my insurance company is willing to pick up the tab. You should rejoice that your insurance company is willing to pick up the tab so easily. Many guys much pay out of pocket. Spending $5,000....now THAT is painful.
All of that said, if you wish to avoid surgery, then it only makes sense to at least try running a course of Nolvadex. Many guys also have success running Femara (letrozole), purposely bringing their estradiol down to low levels. If you do that, then it is important for your physician to monitor your lipid profile.
I've heard that people can be sensative to even regular levels of test/estrogen. That might be my case.
SWALE, that was really my intention (getting the surgery to make sure it doesn't come back). I'm going to wait and see if it could present a problem both cosmetically and physiologically. I had these same lumps during puberty when I started getting body hair. I've finally had to get a decent electric razor because, for the first time in my life, I have facial hair (at 23). That may be what's happening... so I'll wait and see.
Oh yeah... and my estradiol came back 'low/normal'. I didn't get the exact number or range, but I go in to see my Endo on the 22nd and I'll post it as soon as I find out.
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Kroms,
Can I ask you 2 questions? I hope you will not be offended...
In a previous thread you have mentioned that you have hypogonadism (like myself). You have just mentioned that, with TRT, you just started having facial hair. Great for you. I still have none of that (only a soft and sparse teenage moustache). How long did it take before you noticed something?
There is one thing that amazes me: if I look at your picture I see a very muscular bodybuilding guy. How did you succeed in building up all that muscle?? I thought you were hypogonadal??? My body has never built up enough muscle (to look like a man), not even after a very professional training program. I still look like a skinny teenager, but I'm 32...
It's official: Gyno 
Well, it hurts my 'personal feelings', anyway.
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