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Old 01-04-2007, 12:43 PM
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I want to encourage everyone here who has hypogonadism to follow the links at the bottom of this post and help get the message through to the people that matter.

If things carry on the way they are, hypogonadism will continue to be an underdiagnosed mistreated condition for a lot of men worldwide for years to come.
A lot of us here are or have been frustrated with the way we have been treated by doctors in regards to this condition and the reason for this simply stems from the ignorance of the teachings on TRT from the medical boards.

I think if we put aside a little bit of time from reading and posting here, and put a bit of effort into a personal email or written letter and sent them to the AMA and AACE or even your countries equivilant aswell, then it would be doing much more in the long run then trying to clean up the mess this problem keeps leaving behind over and over again.

http://webapps.ama-assn.org/contactus/contactusMain.do
http://www.aace.com/contact.php

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I want to encourage everyone here who has hypogonadism to follow the links at the bottom of this post and help get the message through to the people that matter.

If things carry on the way they are, hypogonadism will continue to be an underdiagnosed mistreated condition for a lot of men worldwide for years to come.
A lot of us here are or have been frustrated with the way we have been treated by doctors in regards to this condition and the reason for this simply stems from the ignorance of the teachings on TRT from the medical boards.

I think if we put aside a little bit of time from reading and posting here, and put a bit of effort into a personal email or written letter and sent them to the AMA and AACE or even your countries equivilant aswell, then it would be doing much more in the long run then trying to clean up the mess this problem keeps leaving behind over and over again.

http://webapps.ama-assn.org/contactus/contactusMain.do
http://www.aace.com/contact.php
Good idea, would you please come up with a form letter.
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Old 01-04-2007, 01:29 PM
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Agree Its sad when you ask questions and they have that confused look on thier face and then give you some answer from fifty years ago
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Good idea, would you please come up with a form letter.
I dont want to do any template, it has to be a personal letter otherwise the credability is questioned.

What I would suggest is keeping it uninsulting, honest, brief and to the point, including a short and to the point personal experience.


The purpose of the letter:

To show something seriously needs to be done.

To show guys suffering from hypogonadism are being left untreated and with a very poor doctor-patient relationship.

To show the symptoms hypogonadism are terrible and arnt just "lack of energy" and what is documented(because the documentaion makes it sound like its something you can just put up with.)

To show current lab ranges are not normal ranges.

To show the current standard protocols for TRT is unacceptable.

To discourage the stigma on testosterone used in medicine(powerfull hormone it is, but its a naturaly found chemical). It does not cause prostate and breast cancer! too many doctors believe this.

Anything else you feel is appropriate. Be particular about what you say and how you word it, best way to do this is to expect everything you write to be taken literally, this avoids misinterpritation.

Obviously use paragraphs punctuation, spell check, your writing to doctors not FHM.

Dont send it straight away, go over it afew times, wait a day, and go over it again on a diffrent day.

Ask yourself:

1. Is this infomation accurate.
2. Do I sound like I will be taken seriously.
3. Have I dragged this on for too long? does the length surpass the content, if so, what can I edit or take out?
4. Would I be bothered reading this if this was sent to me?
5. Do I apear respectful and not emotionally influenced?
6. Do I sound too educated? (doctors can interpret education in a layman as a reason to question sincerity and credability, you dont want to apear as a hypocondriac, or someone who is trying to undermime a doctors inteligence. Doctors are quick to question any infomation regardless of source, unless it is from a doctor they can look up to. ie: a professor)

Example:
Incorrect "Clinical studies published by [some medical journal] have demonstrated...[medical speak]"
Correct "Based on what I have learned on my condition I believe ...[formal layman communication]"

7. Have I been too blunt?
Example: "my endocrinologist knows nothing regarding the use of HCG in male TRT"
proper example "It seems my Endocrinologist is not completely informed of the potential benefits of HCG in male TRT"

Finally. Have I used correct spelling, grammar, punctuation, and words in there correct context.

If in doubt its better to have a fact come across as uncertenty then try push something you are uncertain about as a fact(without sounding like you dont know what your talking about). And its better to include too little infomation then too much infomation(without raising too many questions).

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JustOne, didn't you post here that your total testosterone levels before going on Andriol were something like 22nmol/L? These levels are damn good and clearly demonstrate that you don't have hypogonadism!
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I felt like shit before starting zinc and I felt poor before starting Andriol, some how I was starting to develop gyno 2 days before starting Andriol, the only reason they went up from 19nmol was cause I was taking zinc every day.

Since starting TRT I have been able to live my life instead of staying at home all day, I have actually starting going out and enjoying myself and its defenetly not a placebo effect, before starting Andriol I tried telling myself nothing was wrong my TT is 22nmol and everything is ok and it just didnt work, and even when I started Andriol I kept suspecting a placebo effect but by the 2nd and 3rd day I was sure it defenetly wasnt.
The labs left out my Free T on the report so I calculated it myself using the online calculator, and it was still on the very low side of normal.

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Well TT is more important than free T, according to Marianco. 22nmol/L TT is damn good for anyone, regardless of age.
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Old 01-04-2007, 11:47 PM
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Yea I know, I said to the endo that level looks normal to me but I am still not back to my self.

at 19nmol I felt so bad I would describe the feeling as torturous, at 22nmol I felt much better but still had no energy towards the afternoon and night.

Before my operation I had a blood test done at 3pm (had woken up at 12pm that day) and my level was 400ng/dl so I am guessing before starting TRT my levels would of been pretty low by night.
From what I have seen on graphs, afternoon levels are ment to be about 500ng/dl.

The thing was, I felt fine in the mornings, I felt very normal, it was the afternoon and especially nights I felt like absolute shit.
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Also, on a similar note:

My compounder just informed me that once again that form of TRT is in the crosshairs of the FDA. The endo's are at the front of the assault and are being funded by Wyeth. They want to stop compounding as a means of making transdermal T meds. You may wish to do more research, but I once again am writing my congressmen aboout this ( not expecting any help once again as well).
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