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Should LH/FSH plummet while on HCG ?
My free and total '> testosterone ...
My free and total testosterone greatly increased but LH and FSH went
down to like .6
What do you think?
Current Labs:
My IGF-1: 110
Total test: 707
Free test : 32
FSH I think was .6 (Doc left a message on my answering machine as the
fax was turned off here)
and LH .5 (also maybe different as the fax was turned off and couldn't
hear clearly)
Before HCG three weeks ago:
LH was 4.9
FSH 1.7
T.Test was 430
F.Test was 18.
Using 1.5 units daily.
My free and total testosterone greatly increased but LH and FSH went
down to like .6
What do you think?
Current Labs:
My IGF-1: 110
Total test: 707
Free test : 32
FSH I think was .6 (Doc left a message on my answering machine as the
fax was turned off here)
and LH .5 (also maybe different as the fax was turned off and couldn't
hear clearly)
Before HCG three weeks ago:
LH was 4.9
FSH 1.7
T.Test was 430
F.Test was 18.
Using 1.5 units daily.
I think what you need to look at is how do you feel now if not better stop the HCG.
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Why stop the HCG? Shouldn't LH/FSH go down with HCG?
Yes, LH will go very low when you inject HCG. That's normal.
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Originally Posted by painman
Test and free test has had a nice increase already with HCG.
Indeed
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Originally Posted by painman
Should I be expecting anything different?
If you're on TRT because you felt like crap before, you will feel "normal" again. And by normal I mean, not sick anymore, but you will not feel like superman either.
If you are on TRT to get bigger: don't expect much...
All in all, your body seems to react well to the HCG. You might experience a slight improvement in bodycomposition and stamina within 2 month's time. Personally, I think your values weren't "extremely low" to start with...yes: they were low, but 430 ng/dl is above the minimum cut off of 317 ng/dl.
What DO you expect from TRT? Why did you start the treatment in the first plance???
I started hcg, because it seemed my FSH was super low, my test had recently decreased to the low 400's from upper 500's, and amount of ejaculate also is now minimal. Also I want to see if increasing test will also help increase the igf-1.
Basically I wanted to use hcg to see if I can restart the pituitary after four years of non-stop androderm, something I never needed.
I want better hormone production for maintaining fertility, increasing longevity, and general health.
Is it possible that I can go off hcg soon and the pituitary will kick back in and test be higher now that the testes are producing in the 700's again?
I take DIM, just started .5 Arimidex twice a week, and take an assortment of Life Extension products geared to better liver function.
Thank you again for your response, I very much appreciate your feedback.
I am thinking daily exercise could help lower estradiol (usually in the 20-30 range) and raise my igf-1. I don't get enough exercise but am not opposed to it. I tend to be very disciplined once I get going with any project and think I should start that . I am in my mid-40's.
keep us posted of your results as you go on your experiments
this is the kind of stuff I am interested in doing too
You do realize though that hcg does nothing to restart the pituitary, but is merely a means to get the testicles primed to do their job for when the pituitary starts to give them the signal.
Currently I am lowering my dosages of testosterone and hcg in preparation to taper down and hopefully get natural FSH production again.... and intend to continue arimidex in very small dosage throughout, and perhaps add nolvadex in for a longer term run as exo test and hcg dose is dropped to nil. Hopefully it works. I am in 40's as well, and had lower LH and FSH numbers and resulting low test before I started, and perhaps too high e2 at the time (I am not sure because it wasn't tested, but all signs pointed to that).
well, serms are said to 'jumpstart' the pituitary directly, so clomid or nolvadex is probably an idea
AI will help by keeping estrogen down, which will supposedly signal the hypothalmus to produce gnrh I believe (anyone correct me if I'm wrong), but it seems that there is a bit of a delay in this reaction, so the serms seem to be necessary to get things going quicker. I know coming off of cycles in the past that doing letrozole I was probably very low test and very low estrogen, and felt really bad with no strength, so I think one has to attack the problem from more than one vantage point.
My thinking is a very low dose of HCG maybe tapered down to nil, serms throughout, and very low dose of AI (arimidex) which can taper down as well.
Perhaps a long term taper of nolvadex with the initial use of hcg and arimidex? maybe long term very low dose of arimidex too? just thinking out loud here.
Well with the second labs and seeing estradiol went from 20 to 47 I startered
arimidex. Even when my estradiol was a nice 30 before I often had trouble with high total estrogen and a poor ratio of 16-oh to 2-0h. For that I started on Dim and eating a healthy for estrogen metabolism diet. Fish, cruciferous veggies, etc. The estrogen ratio did improve but with adding hcg and seeing estradiol increase, even though at a safe level, just higher for me, it seemed worthy to add the arimidex. That and somehow I have literally a couple of thousand 1 mg arimidex(az) pills that fell into my lap (long story).
So now I take .25 mg before each hcg shot. I tapered down the hcg to once every two days and about to reduce the dosage to .1ml It will be interseting of course to see if and what levels are with the reduced dose.
I do wonder if I would have been better off taking large doses of hcg for the first few weeks as the doc suggested. The rush was a bit much at 3 units so I lowered it on my own and my levels were fine anyway. My thoughts however are maybe the larger dose would restart things rather than maintain levels and if so I made a mistake there. Thnking outloud too...
About to buy an eliptical(sp?) machine hoping some daily intense exercise will help increase test and igf as well as reduce estradiol. Just rambling now. Any thoughts by others are always welcome
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I'll have to research clomid/nolvadex further, thanks!
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