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When someone, ok me, is ...
Jut dawned on me, (sigm of getting old), did not spelled out what I think.
When someone, ok me, is getting (useless) FreeT, all there is, is a number, that indeed is separate, and possibly hard to judge, stay away from it.
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When CALCULATED FreeT is dealt with, it is presented as an interaction of three hormones, Albumin, SHBG and TT. In addition to the FreeT number, the report shows the basic three and also BioAvailable T that is another presentation of interaction.
As Dr. Marianco was saying in one of his posts (I think) the Albumin is kind of steady, but TT and SHBG are moving around and it is good to watch all of them.
Having complete report in front of you, why would you discard all and keep just TotalT?
Second answer, and I hope that is what you were looking for.
When you reach T=650 , stop increasing it and look for other problems.
Right here: Quote:
"How can one decide that the testosterone dose is too high or too low?
Using total testosterone, the TRT decisions become very simple:
1. The goal of TRT is getting the average total testosterone to at least 650 ng/dl (midrange on a reference scale from 300-1000 ng/dl).
2. If any problems remain, then it is due to other neurotransmitter/hormone/cytokine imbalances or excessive testosterone dose (i.e. supraphysiologic total testosterone)." http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/500180-post6.html
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Observing my own responses.
On 10mg of Androgel I had TT=932ng/dL(241-827)
Not really happy sexually, good endurace to excercise.
I lowered to 7.5mg Androgel, no testing.
Better sexually, noted some degradation in endurance while working out.
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Just came from a doctor, got 7 prescription papers, I am on a way to pharmacy.
Armour Thyroid, Corteff, Novarel, Tcream (thanks 1cc), syringes, whole bit.
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About endurance and time to recovery after exercises,
what govern it?
Adrenals????
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Friendly doctor, ZIP 07410
Ok have you been on cortef before or even armour if not go to this site and read up on starting Armour and Cortef best to treat low cortisol levels with cortef first like hold off on the armour until your on a full does of Cortef I do 20mgs a day. 10mgs. in the morning and 5 mgs at noon and dinner. You need to start on the cortef slow so you don't get a Thyroid Dump. In his link it shows you how to start on Cortef. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com...o/how-to-treat
This rest of the site can be a big help on your treatment.
This is a cut & paste on how I got started treating my low cortisol and thyroid I am not sure is you see this before.
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Bill sorry to hear you have this problem your cortisol is lower then my first test I was 8. The ACTH Stim test will show if it's you Adrenals or your Pituitary not sending the message ACTH to your Adrenals to make Cortisol. Here is a link to Chris's Explaination of the ACTH test you need to read this I have seen posts where Dr.'s did it wrong. You need to be sure you understand about this test and how to read it. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com...opic.php?t=288.
Most people find out they have low cortisol because they have a low Thyroid Problem one needs cortisol to carry the thyroid hormone from the blood to the cells. If there cortisol is low do to Adrenal Fatigue there is not enough cortisol to do this and as they up there meds they start to feel hyper because the hormone is going to high in the blood and not being carried to the cells. One big cause of Adrenal Fatigue is a low Thyroid the Adrenals work over time to bring up levels of thyroid and become fatigued.
Now we are finding a lot of men with low T had Adrenal Fatigue do to the stress of low T be it from the fatigue of low T or the high Estradiol. But it's dam odd that as men hear about this and are not feeling 100% on TRT that after a blood test there cortisol levels are low.
Then I went to this site and printed out a chart for tracking your body's temps. I would take it under my arm before getting out of bed for 10 min.'s if it is under 97.8 you have a thyroid problem my temps that I did were for 4 morning and then I did an avg. it was 95.8. http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions
Using this to take my temps it is also sold at Wall-Greens and Wal-mart. http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.co...hermometer.htm
Then after I was up for 3 hrs I took my temp every 3 hrs 3 to 4 times a day and did an avg. My avg. was low between 96.8 to 97.6 and each day was up or down this is Adrenal Fatigue.
Then I bought the book "Adrenal Fatigue The 21st. Century by Wilson. This book was a big help in understanding this problem but doing what he said to treat it with stuff like this did nothing to my temp chart. It has this in it Pituitary Extract (Freeze-Dried) 120 mg
Adrenal Cortex Extract 33 mg and cortisol but you have no idea how much. http://www.myvitanet.com/adsolfrac50c.html
Also he said to do B Vit.s. http://www.myvitanet.com/endfadaenbco.html
Vit. C http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html
Everyone with low Cortisol has low DHEA I take this 2 a day. http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html
I take 3 grams of a good brand of Fish OIL. I buy mine at Coscos (spelling) I get the one that is coated so you don't burp it up.
And there is Maca this helps keep your Adrenal hormones leveled. I was off this for 30 days and just went back on it I feel better on this. I do 1/2 tsp 2 x's a day. This is the best price and product on he web. http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl...aw-Maca-Powder
I got some Isocort and started on it it is made from sheep adrenal's and wow the first pill made me feel good you need to start this slow. I did 4 pills = 10mgs. of cortisol first thing in the morning with food and 2 pills = 5mgs. of cortisol at noon and dinner. This changed my chart my temps come up to 98.4 to 99 but still up and down if your avg. is up or down from day to day more then .2 tenths your cortisol is still to low. I followed this to get started. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com...o/how-to-treat
My Dr. would not give me Hydrocortisone said it's not safe to use. So I got this book by Dr. Jefferies "Safe Uses of Cortisol" http://members.aol.com/jefferiesw/ http://www.ccthomas.com/details.cfm?P_ISBN=039807500X
Showed this to my Dr. and he blew it off and pissed me off.
I got up to 120mgs of Armour and could not do more my charting even showed my Adrenals were not right to go higher. So I switched to HC and stated with 10mgs. in the morning wow in less then a week my temps were a straight line across at 98.6 first time in 8 months of charting things were looking good and I was feeling better. So if you need to treat your Adrenals the best place for help is Val. at this link. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com...wforum.php?f=5
Most of the people posting there are Thyroid and Adrenal Fatigue but she helps for Adrenals only too. Do get your thyroid checked have the TSH, Free T4 and Free T3 checked and post them to her.
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Phil
I think Dr. John said he going to see about have the conferences on his site.
Got back from pharmacy. Hit little snag about HCG.
I got Novarel, 10000IU it comes with 10mL bacteriostatis water.
Got two types of syringes,
10 - 5ml with 20Gauge-1"needles, will use it for mixing
Box of 1cc with 30 Gauge -1/2" needles, (insuline syringes), will use it for injection.
BD Alcohol swabs individually wrapped
Four pharmacies and surgical supplies do not have emplty sterile vials,
I could order bacteriostacic water, but did not at this point.
Question/dillema
I could probably mix my Novarel by adding the 10ml of water, in two shots since my mixing syringe is 5ml. Each 1ml will have 1000IU of HCG.
1cc=1ml
When I draw 25 units (quarter of total syrynge volume) that is equal to 250 IU of HCG, and that is the dose that I want.
Is this clear thinking, I am double checking.
I do not need empty mixing vials or bacteriostatic water, right?
Damm it is not Novarel but Chorionc Gonadotropin 10000U APP
same difference I hope.
Got back from pharmacy. Hit little snag about HCG.
I got Novarel, 10000IU it comes with 10mL bacteriostatis water.
Got two types of syringes,
10 - 5ml with 20Gauge-1"needles, will use it for mixing
Box of 1cc with 30 Gauge -1/2" needles, (insuline syringes), will use it for injection.
BD Alcohol swabs individually wrapped
Four pharmacies and surgical supplies do not have emplty sterile vials,
I could order bacteriostacic water, but did not at this point.
Question/dillema
I could probably mix my Novarel by adding the 10ml of water, in two shots since my mixing syringe is 5ml. Each 1ml will have 1000IU of HCG.
1cc=1ml
When I draw 25 units (quarter of total syrynge volume) that is equal to 250 IU of HCG, and that is the dose that I want.
Is this clear thinking, I am double checking.
I do not need empty mixing vials or bacteriostatic water, right?
Damm it is not Novarel but Chorionc Gonadotropin 10000U APP
same difference I hope.
Take it back I got this crap and it did not work my levels went down. APP is not all that good did your put on the script DAW.
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Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.
Phil
Question/dillema
I could probably mix my Novarel by adding the 10ml of water, in two shots since my mixing syringe is 5ml. Each 1ml will have 1000IU of HCG.
1cc=1ml
When I draw 25 units (quarter of total syrynge volume) that is equal to 250 IU of HCG, and that is the dose that I want.
Is this clear thinking, I am double checking.
I do not need empty mixing vials or bacteriostatic water, right?
Damm it is not Novarel but Chorionc Gonadotropin 10000U APP
same difference I hope.
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Originally Posted by pmgamer18
Take it back I got this crap and it did not work my levels went down. APP is not all that good did your put on the script DAW.
Wonder if they will take it back, they may argue, nothing is oppened.
What about the rest of my story on dosing HCG, have I got it staight,
I got two bottles, one with powder the other with bacteriostatic water?
Stick the 5 ml. needle into the vile with the powder and take out 5mls of air but keep the needle near the top so you don't pull out the powder. Keep the vile up and then put the air into the vile of water and pull out 5mls of water. Make sure the any air is out by holding up the needle and tapping on it then push out the air and water until you have 5mls. of water in the needle. Now stick the needle into the vile of powder and very slow put the water into it you don't want foam.
Without taking the needle out pull 5 more mls of air and put the air into the vile of water. Then pull 5mls of water out the same way as the first time. Now put this into the vile of powder now you done don't shake the vile but swirl it to mix it. Now to do a 250 IU shot you would pull out .25mls. http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm
Go and take back the crap APP and tell them you did not see that they gave you APP tell them APP dose not work for you they will take it back. After all Novarel and APP are both a generic. Don't let them dum this crap on you.
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Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.
Phil
I got two bottles, one with powder the other with bacteriostatic water?
Yes - you have the dosing correct and it will be the same with the Novarel. It also comes with the bacteriostatic water and the instructions say to mix 10ml. If you then want to inject 250IU, you would inject .25ml.
Stick the 5 ml. needle into the vile with the powder and take out 5mls of air but keep the needle near the top so you don't pull out the powder. Keep the vile up and then put the air into the vile of water and pull out 5mls of water. Make sure the any air is out by holding up the needle and tapping on it then push out the air and water until you have 5mls. of water in the needle. Now stick the needle into the vile of powder and very slow put the water into it you don't want foam.
Without taking the needle out pull 5 more mls of air and put the air into the vile of water. Then pull 5mls of water out the same way as the first time. Now put this into the vile of powder now you done don't shake the vile but swirl it to mix it. Now to do a 250 IU shot you would pull out .25mls. http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm
Go and take back the crap APP and tell them you did not see that they gave you APP tell them APP dose not work for you they will take it back. After all Novarel and APP are both a generic. Don't let them dum this crap on you.
Quick and to the point, than you.
Now, about the size of the dose.
Remember, my doctor does not give me any instructions, he is just willing participant and plans on learning anti-aging, maybe. He deals with adrenals and thyroid but only with people that are run down. I am doing all this because I want to dance faster and longer plus other things .
10000Iu vial have a 40 doses if I use 250IU per shot. If I do that every other day, that is 80 days.
I should use opened vial within 30 days, may be 60 (if Dr Shippen is right), but not 80.
I hate to throw away good medicine. If I use a dose 333IU it will last 60 days.
Well, my balls are practically gone now, after 3 years on Androgel. For the first month maybe even first two months I could use 400IU but no more than 500IU every other day.
At certain point my balls will start producing testosterone and I should taper down somehow my Androgel. Pre-Androgel my TotalT was 300. Any idea/experience of when can I expect my testicles to start production, is there any feeling associatet with it? What size of dose would be the bes and for how long?
In order to please 1cc , and possibly reduce my high DHT or at least that amount that is associated with large application area that I am having now, I have ordered 100mg/gram Testosterone Cream.
I am using Androgel 7.5 gram, there is 75mg of testosterone in that amount of gel.
To get the same amount testosterone I have to use 0.75gram of cream.
1/4 teaspoon = 1 gram, 1/8 tsp = 1/2gram
so I need one and half of 1/8tsp , I guess they are not heaping but flat spoons.
Wonder what is going to happen with my absorption of the cream, I think I had statistically average absorption when on gel. On gel my TotalT were jus about what the booklet expected, tiny bit higher.
Any idea on Tcream dose in view of what I just said?
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