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Old 06-03-2005, 10:55 PM
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Default low free testosterone what to do? help

Hello, I'm 26 years old and have 9.0 free testosterone ng/dl
I don't have any testicular atrophy or Pituary gland damage
my liver is ok and also my creatinine levels.
I'm considering using injectable testosterone to boost my levels
can anyone recommend which testosterone would be best to use, and how much to use?

Could someone having low testosterone only use HCG to boost his levels
since I don't have any testicular damage?

thank you
josh b.
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Old 06-04-2005, 04:09 PM
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Default TRT - hCG

I don't know a whole lot about TRT, but your in the right place to learn, although at 26, your very young to be thinking about TRT for life. I think at your age its best to try and get your own T production going ...

Read Swales "Recipe for Success" TRT sticky...thats a must

As for hCG, read this entire thread:

HCG Only Protocol and Secondary Hypogonadism
Everything you need to know on basics of hCG

You need to probably add more personel info\lab values to get a decent answer to your question.

Good Luck
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I'm 23... and on TRT... it's completely possible that you have a testosterone deficiency. I think at a young age, it's easier to make the decision to go on HRT, because at that point in your life, you want to be at a prime state.

hCG has worked wonders for some of the bro's here. Definately an option (if not a standard in a few years).
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chris22: I noticed that you are also posting to the AAS forum.

What do you want to do? Get appropriate HRT or do an AAS cycle?
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Did you see a Dr. and get tested on your T levels if you did post the results with the range.
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There is information at this link:
http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-...prtcl-130.html

The section that matters:

Referring to Table 1, there are five possible reasons why free testosterone levels may be low-normal (below the upper third of the highest number of the reference range):

Too much testosterone is being converted to estradiol by excess aromatase enzyme and/or the liver is failing to adequately detoxify surplus estrogen. Excess aromatase enzyme and/or liver dysfunction is likely the cause if estradiol levels are over 30.
emember, aromatase converts testosterone into estradiol, which can cause estrogen overload and testosterone deficiency.
Too much free testosterone is being bound by SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin). This would be especially apparent if total testosterone levels were in the high normal range, while free testosterone was below the upper one-third range.
The pituitary gland fails to secrete adequate amounts of luteinizing hormone (LH) to stimulate testicular production of testosterone. Total testosterone in this case would be in the bottom one-third to one-half range. (On LabCorp's scale, this would be a number below 241-500 ng/dL.)
The testes have lost their ability to produce testosterone, despite adequate amounts of the testicular-stimulating luteinizing hormone. In this case, LH would be above normal, and total testosterone would in very low normal or below normal ranges.
Inadequate amounts of DHEA are being produced in the body. (DHEA is a precursor hormone to tes-tosterone and estrogen) (250).

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However, supplementing DHEA will not increase testosterone in adult males.

In fact, taking too much DHEA (more than 50mg per day) will actually lower Free Testosterone because supplemented DHEA converts to estrogen, which elevates SHBG, which binds more T and therefore causes "estrogen dominance".
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SWALE:

I was wondering if you have used 17-keto-DHEA, which supposedly does not convert neither to androgens or estrogens.

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SWALE:

I was wondering if you have used 17-keto-DHEA, which supposedly does not convert neither to androgens or estrogens.

Roberto
Roberto I have used 7-Keto and it did not work as good a reg. DHEA I take 25 mgs. a day of DHEA and it has got my levels up from 85 using 7-Keto to 364 using DHEA but you need to find a good product.
http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html
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Thanks for the tip Phil.

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My understanding is that the 7-KETO version does not convert to DHEA, so does not provide the benefits of DHEA.
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Which version do you recommend, Dr. Swale

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My understanding is that the 7-KETO version does not convert to DHEA, so does not provide the benefits of DHEA.
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