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Old 09-21-2005, 09:25 PM
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I had some info but because I don't have Thy. problems did not keep it but remember reading it you treat the low Thy. then test for low T in a lot of cases getting Thy. helps get T levels back up.
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I saw something very very similar, but I am kicking myself for not keeping it. I remember testosterone levels went up 20% or so when the thyroid was "normalized".

I am fairly confident my problems are hypothyroidism. The only thing that makes me hesitate is the fact that my lipids are very low which I have come to understand is atypical of hypothyroid sufferers. Low lipids also don't provide a good base for your body to produce testosterone so that must contribute to the low test as well I'm sure. Should I ask for a t4/t3 combo like thyrolar? or try for cytomel?
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I think I remember SWALE posting that he uses Armour. Start on that first and go from there. Unless there is something I missed hear.
I have this link on Thy.
http://tinyurl.com/98duq
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I don't see why you wouldn't want to start on just t4 (synthroid), since most people convert t4 to t3 well - and then switch to a combo product if your symptoms persist.
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I don't see why you wouldn't want to start on just t4 (synthroid), since most people convert t4 to t3 well - and then switch to a combo product if your symptoms persist.
From my understanding, synthroid is indeed the most prescibed drug to treat hypothyroidism. This is not often best choice though from many things I have read. There are many anecdotes about t3 combined with t4 relieve symptoms much better than t4 alone.

I found this write up from Avant Labs about cytomel supplementation. It states that induced "hyperthyroidism" can raise SHBG 150% and total serum testosterone 42%. I am assuming a similar hormone resoponse would occur from someone going from hypo to normal as this has shown to happen from going normal to hyper.cytomel
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I've seen that article before; however, I have also read that using a t4/t3 combo is more likely to cause side effects than plain t4. I don't have any studies to back that up because I don't remember where I read it, but it's something to consider. Probably your best bet is to discuss all options with your endo.
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Old 09-23-2005, 09:37 PM
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Okay, spoke to the doc today.

My igf-1 came back midline normal and free testosterone came back at 75 range:30-150

Docs decision was to do nothing since my free test was "acceptable" despite my total testosterone of 350 and my thyroid panel came back "normal"

I was hopeful I would get to try something, but alas...nothing.
But, I did get a referal to another endo. This crap is frustrating.

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Old 10-13-2005, 08:20 PM
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Sorry to revive this old thread but the more I look into my low testosterone issues the more confused and more questions I get.

My original labs posted above show a very low cholesterol. Could it be that simple? I just dont have enough of the building block cholesterol? What test could I get to determine this? DHEA perhaps?
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Old 10-13-2005, 09:33 PM
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It's possible that it's that simple. Only way to know is to try to INCREASE your cholesterol. I'd recommend doing it through flax and fish oil supplements. 10g of fish oil a day is good...not sure how much of the flax.

Also, just for shits and giggles you can check this out:
http://www.ehealthspan.com/download/...imization2.rtf

http://magazine.mindandmuscle.net/ma...=10&pageID=100

BTW, these are courtesy of HeadDoc from a thread on a different board. Second one is not quite medicine but it has good info.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:16 PM
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Weatherlite,

That 1st link you put up is fantastic. It summarizes alot of thyroid information

As far as diet goes, I already take fish oil at 10g/day And have for a couple years now.

I am thinking about downing a couple raw eggs a day. Some say its dangerous b/c of salmonella, but my family raises chickens so I have a fairly fresh source
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Old 10-14-2005, 05:37 PM
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Salmonella....what a bunch of crap! Yes, it exists but if your eggs have been handled properly and you don't leave them on the counter you're fine! Ever eat cookie batter after ya made it? RAW EGGS! lol Ya never hear of folks saying "be careful...don't eat the cookie batter! SALMONELLA!!!!!" LOL

That could be a good way to get some extra fats in and they're semi-good fats as well. Also, why not add in some extra olive oil? Not to the eggs, just to your diet.
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