marianco and others please-androgenic effect of tesosterone vs dht

[masterpp]

hey guys,

something ive never understood- can testosterone and other steroids have a strong androgenic effect without dht.

i when people say that testosterone has a strong androgenic effect, is it it because it converts to dht.

or do certain forms of testosterone delivery have more of an androgenic effect regadless of dht.

my concern is because i want a strong androgenic effect from my therapy, but i am concerned about hairloss and i want to keep my dht in line.

is that a contradiction in terms

cheers

[Iggy_347]

subscribing.......

I am in the same boat.....just got tests back that showed DHT 102 (20-75 Range I believe) I feel great but am worried about the bad effects of DHT.......I have a thinning hairline as it is........

[chip douglas]

My DHT is high normal too, so subscribing as well. I had it tested last week, so I'll see where it's at in a few weeks. I have vertex MPB too.

[masterpp]

Originally Posted by chip douglas

My DHT is high normal too, so subscribing as well. I had it tested last week, so I'll see where it's at in a few weeks. I have vertex MPB too.

ill see your vertex MPB and raise you an all over diffuse thinning despite only being 20 - all this from just 75 mg a week of test e.

ideally we would find a way of taking test which was strongly androgenic, as this is good for keeping slim and good libido, but without causing high dht.

is this a condradiction in terms.

[zumper]

Another issue here is wether DHT is more potent than testostone,muscle mass,enregy,better mentellity,better sexual performance,strenght/endurance,mood,aggresion.
Only Let's discuss this comparison ignoring the well-known prolems with prostate,hairlioss and such focusing on the posives side of..T amd DHT.
Let's do it ,I'm very interested in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
..................................if you achieve to manage read till

[taser]

there are drugs that are extremely androgenic that have no effect on DHT.Parabolin comes to mind, Also,you have drugs that are 5-a reduced such as winstrol and primobolan. these drugs are already 5-a reduced to drugs that are similar to dht. regarding hairloss,if one is genetically inclined to lose hair,most drugs will accelerate it even though they don't convert to dht or have dht like properties.