Most effective way to apply Test?

[B166ER]

Hey guys, I got my Test PLO 20%, and while my doc says putting it on my abdomen or arms will suffice, Im wondering if there are more effective ways of administering it? I dont have many sites on my body as Im a bit hairy, and my abdomen is quite fatty. I was thinking my chest, because its a bigger area without hair, and not as fatty. Is that a better idea? The arms are an idea, but they arent exactly big and takes a while to rub it in. Also, on the most effective thoughts, I also workout, and wondering when is the best toime to pout it on so i get the most test during my workouts. I work at night, graveyard shift and typically get up about 10 pm, shower and put it on, then go to work. I workout at 8 am, and was thinking would it be better to put it on maybe sooner to my workout time? Im not sure when you would get the highest concentraction, Ive read it was some 70 minutes after you apply, but that also depends on the site, and how fatty it is.. Anyone can shed some light on this?

Thanks ahead of time and you guys are great for info!

[B166ER]

Maybe I wrote this in the wrong area? I'd figure it would be easy to answer, and ive loked around this site planty, but cannot find a definitive answer, mostly speculative assumptions..

[Ruper]

Generally your Doc will know best given thier experience where you should apply the gel for your body-type. I would go with his/her recommendations and/or the info provided with the gel. Usually upper arms, shoulders, thighs are the best places.

Applying gel, or even injecting so as to maximise T during a workout is not going to help with anything. I have no idea what you are thinking you will achieve by doing this.

Put the gel on after you shower, after the workout, or first thing in the morning as you are doing.

[B166ER]

Originally Posted by Ruper

Generally your Doc will know best given thier experience where you should apply the gel for your body-type. I would go with his/her recommendations and/or the info provided with the gel. Usually upper arms, shoulders, thighs are the best places.

Would it not be possible that sometimes our docs are not up on information? My doc gave me failry general advice about my Therapy. Not saying she doesnt know wanything, but I would easily bet those in the forum would have advice that makes a bigger difference. I asked my doc about best sites to apply and she said simply the upper arms or my abdomen. She did not go into specifics about maximizing the effectiveness which is why I turned to here. Maybe the fat layer doesnt make a difference. If it doesnt, then simply saying so would be better advice..

Originally Posted by Ruper

Applying gel, or even injecting so as to maximise T during a workout is not going to help with anything. I have no idea what you are thinking you will achieve by doing this.

You dont know why i would want a higher concentration of T during a workout? I think you read my question wrong. I am not applying T to maximize my workout, Im applying T as part of my TRT, but knowing that a higher T makes for a better workout in cases, then why not find a better way to apply it to benefit that as well?

Originally Posted by Ruper

Put the gel on after you shower, after the workout, or first thing in the morning as you are doing.

I dont put the T on in the morning I said i work at night I put it on at night before work. I workout in the morning and with that in mind, would my T dip as to make any difference if i put it on before I work out, or if I put it on at night, before work? Im sorry to have seemed such like the idiot, I figured that this was the place to ask questions. Thanks for your reply, nonetheless.

[pmgamer18]

You did not say what your using is it Andorgel or Testim if so the gel stays under the skin and puts T into your blood stream over 24 hrs. So there is no bigger best time. I feel what your doing now is best.

[1cc]

Originally Posted by B166ER

Im applying T as part of my TRT.

At 20% concentration, if you are applying 1 gram, then that would equal 200mg of T. Most guys only need 50mg T for TRT. 200mg dose is not TRT. PLO gel causes the cream and thereby the T to absorb very quickly. This will in turn cause a higher conversion to E. The best cream base to use for TRT is a vanishing cream base, because it absorbs more slowly and evenly. A vanishing cream base is best applied to thin hairless skin like the inner bicep area. The PLO absorbs so quickly and I believe bypasses the fat layer as well, whereas a vanishing cream base allows the fat layer to act as a reservoir for the release of the T.

[B166ER]

Thanks guys. The T Im using is not a brand name, it is compounded at a local pharmacy, Signature here in orlando. I did belive my doc had me on a high dose, but she said to wait until my next lab work ( in a week) then she would adjust from there along with HCG as needed.

[Ruper]

Originally Posted by B166ER

She did not go into specifics about maximizing the effectiveness which is why I turned to here.

knowing that a higher T makes for a better workout

I dont put the T on in the morning I said i work at night I put it on at night before work. I workout in the morning and with that in mind, would my T dip as to make any difference if i put it on before I work out, or if I put it on at night, before work? Im sorry to have seemed such like the idiot, I figured that this was the place to ask questions. Thanks for your reply, nonetheless.

#1 consistancy is going to be more important than effectiveness if you are going to have bloodwork and adjust the dose.

#2 ?????????? I have seen no evidence for this, nor experienced it despite increasing my freeT levels 10 times my pre TRT levels. I put on quite a bit of muscle, but one does not build muscle while working out. I'd try a pre-WO stimulant instead.

#3 sorry, I got confused. Basically you don't want to put it on, then shower a couple of hours later. Better to put it on before work or after your workout shower.

[1cc]

Originally Posted by B166ER

Thanks guys. The T Im using is not a brand name, it is compounded at a local pharmacy, Signature here in orlando. I did belive my doc had me on a high dose, but she said to wait until my next lab work ( in a week) then she would adjust from there along with HCG as needed.

If you are actually trying to do TRT and not AAS, then your dose is extremely high, and your T levels are going to be extremely high. PLO is not the right base to use, if you want to minimize E conversion and have steady levels.

[B166ER]

Originally Posted by Ruper

#1 consistancy is going to be more important than effectiveness if you are going to have bloodwork and adjust the dose.

Not sure if I understand you on that one. Consistancy wasnt a factor. I was prescribed a med, and I take it the way it ws prescribed, just wanted to know if there was a better, more effective way of administering it, if such pusuit should be a factor.

Originally Posted by Ruper

#2 ?????????? I have seen no evidence for this, nor experienced it despite increasing my freeT levels 10 times my pre TRT levels. I put on quite a bit of muscle, but one does not build muscle while working out. I'd try a pre-WO stimulant instead.

Actually I phrased that wrong, my bad, but I would have hoped it would have came across regardless. It should have been, "Knowing that a higher T makes for better workout results..." Testosterone does equal better results, not neccesarily a better workout, though one does feel "more" during a workout.

Originally Posted by Ruper

#3 sorry, I got confused. Basically you don't want to put it on, then shower a couple of hours later. Better to put it on before work or after your workout shower.

[B166ER]

Originally Posted by 1cc

If you are actually trying to do TRT and not AAS, then your dose is extremely high, and your T levels are going to be extremely high. PLO is not the right base to use, if you want to minimize E conversion and have steady levels.

You make it seem as if Im doing this only for the workout, Im not. I am on TRT, and yes I agree the dosage does seem too high, but I was not aware of this when I was placed on it. Only after being placed on it I did research which may have been the bad way to go, but I never claimed to be the smartest guy out there. Im just seeking answers, maybe in an ass backwards way, but does one know how to swim before they get in the water? My doc has told me about the therapy, but as Im finding out now she isnt as informed as I thought. It comes down to this: I was feeling lousy, she took some labs, told me I needed TRT, I figured shes my doc she knows what shes doing and agreed. I knew the risks but ED, fatigue, loss of focus seemed riskier to me. Ill be happy to be re-evaluated but at the same time shes doing my labs again next week and going to adjust from there. Im alsos going to clue her into Swales Recipe for Success, if she doesnt already know about it ( Im sure she doesnt, damn women docs, lol). Anyays, thanks for giving me another perspective, it is advice that will not go unnoticed.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by B166ER

You make it seem as if Im doing this only for the workout, Im not. I am on TRT, and yes I agree the dosage does seem too high, but I was not aware of this when I was placed on it. Only after being placed on it I did research which may have been the bad way to go, but I never claimed to be the smartest guy out there. Im just seeking answers, maybe in an ass backwards way, but does one know how to swim before they get in the water? My doc has told me about the therapy, but as Im finding out now she isnt as informed as I thought. It comes down to this: I was feeling lousy, she took some labs, told me I needed TRT, I figured shes my doc she knows what shes doing and agreed. I knew the risks but ED, fatigue, loss of focus seemed riskier to me. Ill be happy to be re-evaluated but at the same time shes doing my labs again next week and going to adjust from there. Im alsos going to clue her into Swales Recipe for Success, if she doesnt already know about it ( Im sure she doesnt, damn women docs, lol). Anyays, thanks for giving me another perspective, it is advice that will not go unnoticed.

You sound like your on the right track now so do keep learning about this the more you know the better off you will be in your treatment. Get Dr. Shippen's book "The Testosterone Syndorme" join more groups like this one.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/hypogonadism2/
This group has a links and files section full of info on low T.

[1cc]

Originally Posted by B166ER

I was feeling lousy, she took some labs, told me I needed TRT, I figured shes my doc she knows what shes doing and agreed.

Do you have your pre-TRT labs?

[masterpp]

Originally Posted by 1cc

At 20% concentration, if you are applying 1 gram, then that would equal 200mg of T. Most guys only need 50mg T for TRT. 200mg dose is not TRT. PLO gel causes the cream and thereby the T to absorb very quickly. This will in turn cause a higher conversion to E. The best cream base to use for TRT is a vanishing cream base, because it absorbs more slowly and evenly. A vanishing cream base is best applied to thin hairless skin like the inner bicep area. The PLO absorbs so quickly and I believe bypasses the fat layer as well, whereas a vanishing cream base allows the fat layer to act as a reservoir for the release of the T.

icc do you really think that 50mg a day of testim is enough for most men?

[1cc]

Originally Posted by masterpp

icc do you really think that 50mg a day of testim is enough for most men?

For most guys it should be unless there is an absorption problem, in which case more would be needed.