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[meltdown]

Hello,

My name is dustin and i have subscribed about a month ago. I have a few questions on what i am doing.

Height : 5/7
weight: 175
I have been workout out for about two years , lifting heavy 4 sets of 8,6,4,2 with every muscle group. My eating pattern is every 2-3 hours.

Morning: oats,glass of milk, bannana or some type of fruit with one 48g protein shake .
During the rest of the day i eat tuna packs the 20g protien kinda along with peanuts, 3 chicken breast, brocolli, and as the day goes by i eventualy drink 2 more 48g Protein shakes and my dinner meal is a sweet potato and a steak.

I have been eating like this and working out hard as hell for two years and cant add any weight.
i still after two years weigh 175 lbs.....

Supp History:
I first started taking superpump250 to get me going in the gym. The energy was there but along with eating and lifting heavy no gains..
Then i tried taking halodrol50 and that didnt do much at all.
Two months ago i took what i thought was dbol by it self 50mg a day "pill form" BAD IDEA BY ITSELF I KNOW, IVE HEARD. but by tring halodrol and dbol the only thing that did anything for me was the dbol and what it did was make me wanna push harder. I got stronger no doubt but as far as gaining mass it just was not happening. i was taking up to 200g of protein a day with dbol and seen no gains.

I would love for someone to shed some light on my subject. Ive been told that maybe im a HARD GAINNER, im not built to get big, im not lifting heavy enough,

Truth is i have no idea what to do. I know i could read about thousands of suplements allllll day long but what to do realy is the question.

Ive been trainning for two years and have seen basically no results. MAYBE a little in my arms but thats it.

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by meltdown

Hello,

My name is dustin and i have subscribed about a month ago. I have a few questions on what i am doing.

Height : 5/7
weight: 175
I have been workout out for about two years , lifting heavy 4 sets of 8,6,4,2 with every muscle group. My eating pattern is every 2-3 hours.

Morning: oats,glass of milk, bannana or some type of fruit with one 48g protein shake .
During the rest of the day i eat tuna packs the 20g protien kinda along with peanuts, 3 chicken breast, brocolli, and as the day goes by i eventualy drink 2 more 48g Protein shakes and my dinner meal is a sweet potato and a steak.

I have been eating like this and working out hard as hell for two years and cant add any weight.
i still after two years weigh 175 lbs.....

Supp History:
I first started taking superpump250 to get me going in the gym. The energy was there but along with eating and lifting heavy no gains..
Then i tried taking halodrol50 and that didnt do much at all.
Two months ago i took what i thought was dbol by it self 50mg a day "pill form" BAD IDEA BY ITSELF I KNOW, IVE HEARD. but by tring halodrol and dbol the only thing that did anything for me was the dbol and what it did was make me wanna push harder. I got stronger no doubt but as far as gaining mass it just was not happening. i was taking up to 200g of protein a day with dbol and seen no gains.

I would love for someone to shed some light on my subject. Ive been told that maybe im a HARD GAINNER, im not built to get big, im not lifting heavy enough,

Truth is i have no idea what to do. I know i could read about thousands of suplements allllll day long but what to do realy is the question.

Ive been trainning for two years and have seen basically no results. MAYBE a little in my arms but thats it.

200 grms of protein no wonder why you where not ganing plus your stuf was probably fake.. So inorder t supplement good nutrition you are probably going to take more drugs. This is usually the mentality people take and iin the end they loose 90% of what they have gained mostly it being water weight ..Don;t you love newbies LOL Listen bro I have been to the tops and had a chance to go pro, but my health and well being was more important then adding 10 lbs more of muscle as well as my wallet. Take the money invested in roids and have some one focus on your diet . you will got alot further..

[meltdown]

I just want to clear something up. I would rather eat right and have natural gains than take any supplements. i just need to get more info on what im wanting to do.

[Dopamineloveaffair]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

200 grms of protein no wonder why you where not ganing plus your stuf was probably fake.. So inorder t supplement good nutrition you are probably going to take more drugs. This is usually the mentality people take and iin the end they loose 90% of what they have gained mostly it being water weight ..Don;t you love newbies LOL Listen bro I have been to the tops and had a chance to go pro, but my health and well being was more important then adding 10 lbs more of muscle as well as my wallet. Take the money invested in roids and have some one focus on your diet . you will got alot further..

200 grams of protein. What's the problem here?

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by Dopamineloveaffair

200 grams of protein. What's the problem here?

He wants to get bigger and if hes eating like a bird its not going to work no matter how much drugs a person pumps into them

[billythebaxter]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

He wants to get bigger and if hes eating like a bird its not going to work no matter how much drugs a person pumps into them

u think he should be getting 2gms protein for every lb bodyweight? ie, 350gms a day?

[BigAk]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

200 grms of protein no wonder why you where not ganing plus your stuf was probably fake.. So inorder t supplement good nutrition you are probably going to take more drugs. This is usually the mentality people take and iin the end they loose 90% of what they have gained mostly it being water weight ..Don;t you love newbies LOL Listen bro I have been to the tops and had a chance to go pro, but my health and well being was more important then adding 10 lbs more of muscle as well as my wallet. Take the money invested in roids and have some one focus on your diet . you will got alot further..

Excellent advise..

.

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by billythebaxter

u think he should be getting 2gms protein for every lb bodyweight? ie, 350gms a day?

The ratio of protein carb : fats is person depend and there are a slew of factors thatt affect what is the proper route to go. Adding more caloires will make some one bigger provided that they are of quality not of quantity

[jmills]

How is your Bodyfat? From what you posted, I'm guessing it's pretty low right? The reason I ask is this....at the most basic level, to gain muscle you need to take in more calories that you are using, you basically have to be in an overfed environment while placing adequate stress on your musculature to induce hypertrophy. So you are either not eating enough, not working out correctly, or have medical issue.

So, can you say with certainty you know how many calories you are consuming in an avg day?
If you can't, then this is useless...if you can, then increase that by 500 cal/day for 14 days or so and see what happens. I totally agree with the whats been said so far, but personally I think total calories are what you are shooting for, not just x grams of protein (at least as long as you are getting at least 1-1.5 grams per lb/bw).
Also, you may want to spend some time in the 12-15 rep range, if youve been in the lower rep range for the past two years you may have plateaued and your body may be firmly adjusted to that work load...vary it up a bit; do a google search on periodization if you want a deeper understanding of the basic principles. Personally, I think the same principles apply to your diet as well...short version: eat enough to get to be gaining some bodyfat at least a few months out of the year, thats how everyone I know who has managed to put on quality mass (chemically enhanced or otherwise) have managed it.

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by jmills

How is your Bodyfat? From what you posted, I'm guessing it's pretty low right? The reason I ask is this....at the most basic level, to gain muscle you need to take in more calories that you are using, you basically have to be in an overfed environment while placing adequate stress on your musculature to induce hypertrophy. So you are either not eating enough, not working out correctly, or have medical issue.

So, can you say with certainty you know how many calories you are consuming in an avg day?
If you can't, then this is useless...if you can, then increase that by 500 cal/day for 14 days or so and see what happens. I totally agree with the whats been said so far, but personally I think total calories are what you are shooting for, not just x grams of protein (at least as long as you are getting at least 1-1.5 grams per lb/bw).
Also, you may want to spend some time in the 12-15 rep range, if youve been in the lower rep range for the past two years you may have plateaued and your body may be firmly adjusted to that work load...vary it up a bit; do a google search on periodization if you want a deeper understanding of the basic principles. Personally, I think the same principles apply to your diet as well...short version: eat enough to get to be gaining some bodyfat at least a few months out of the year, thats how everyone I know who has managed to put on quality mass (chemically enhanced or otherwise) have managed it.

I ate 10 meals a t at 400-500 caloires a meal biggest meals breakfst postwork out , and did cardio to offset the fat gain

[meltdown]

Thank you for the information. I actually do not know how many calories i take in a day. i just know im eating threwout the whole day. My routine could be the problem. When i first started working out i did lift heavy 6-8 rep rage and have ever since but its possible i need to change that i agree. What i was doing is looking at lables of things i ate and thought to myself "okay its got lots of protien ya its good to eat" . i know different now. As far as my bodyfat, I used the hand squeze deal at the gym and it said 10%. Im sure if i change up my diet even though im pretty much eating right just eat more i would gain some mass.

[meltdown]

I forgot to thank you all for your input.
Another thing that i just thought of is this. my culunary skills are still being worked on
So if there is a certain diet that any of you know of that gives me everything i need a day that would be great. my thing is, i have no problem eating the same thing for weeks at a time. I just thought id ask if anyone has a set meal plan they go by. As far as the protien intake a day for me i dont think ive ever went into the three hundreds but 250g a day would be what i usually take in with food and 2-3 shakes a day. If anyone has a good meal plan let me know

Thanks,
D

[jmills]

If you are trying to put on weight, 10% is pretty darn low IMHO

Man, I don't have a "diet" I can share with you, but i can tell you some of the things I've done over the years. None of this requires any real cooking, and it all comes with labels and easily read nutrition content so you can keep up with what you need. And i'm telling you, you really have no idea how much (or how little) of what you are eating 'til you track it for at least a few days.

Boil a bag of rice, dump in 3 or 4 cans of Tuna and pour some hot sauce over it. Stick it in a tupperware container . I'd snack on that thru the day with some low sodium crackers...

Grab a few cans of soup (like low fat /low sodium healthy choice stuff) and a few cans of white chicken. Open the soup, pour out the excess water and add a can of chicken....enjoy with some low fat Ritz crackers.

Grab a few packs of deli sliced low fat ham/chicken and a pack of no-fat cheese...enjoy with some low fat Ritz crackers.

So all of these are ways i have supplemented my "diet" in order to get the calories/protein that I need without spending time in the kitchen (which I just do not have, at least not on a regular basis). I am not saying this is the best (or hell, even a very good) way to eat, but its some of the things I've done to get enough food in me to make my workouts count for something besides just making alot of noise in the gym.

Best regards,

[jmills]

[quote= Im sure if i change up my diet even though im pretty much eating right just eat more i would gain some mass.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, I think this is true for most of the guys i know that are hitting the weights hard...they're just afraid of getting fat, so when they feel those "love handles" growing they freak out and break out the Jane Fonda w/o tapes...by the way, I fukin hate cardio. Hate it. Really, would rather watch grass grow. But you gotta do it, if you want to put on weight: you just do the shit out of it AFTER you bulk for a while and put on some good weight. Thats my opinion, and I've been exactly where you are now. There are fancy names for it, periodization, undulating periodization, etc etc, but basically its just alot more difficult to stay lean and get stronger and gain muscle mass at the same time...so you set aside times to concentrate on each goal seperately.

[jmills]

Maybe i can try to illustrate what i meant:

Think of it as rolling three big rocks up a hill...you can't do it all at once, so you work on strength for a 6-8 weeks and you eat around 12 cal/lb, then you work on hypertrophy and eat around 15 cal/lb, then you work on leaning out for 6-8 weeks and eat around 10 cal/lb. Always keep your protein intake to 1.5 g/lb at LEAST...this means that you will be "low carbing" part of the time simply by default...During all of this, your weight and BF % will fluctuate... (or you are doing something wrong) but at the end of a couple of these you should be LEANER and HEAVIER than you are. The workouts that are specific to each of these areas of concentration are readily available, just use the search button and you'll have plenty of great info.

Every person is different, so play with the cal/lb and the lengths of each area of concentration, for instance if you get lean easily then shorten that portion or adjust your cal up a bit...also if you find that you are not putting on muscle during that portion then up the cals a bit. Now do you see why it's important to keep a food journal? I know this is kind of a pain in the ass, and alot to keep up with, but this is the simplest way i know of to do it...chemically assisted or not.

And remember, two years is not a long time...it's not unusual to train for 5 years to put on 15-20 LEAN lbs above your natural weight, espescially if you natural (which you should be, AT LEAST for the first 5 years). Alot of it depends on how willing you are to try different things and educate yourself. There are some great bro's on this site, i'm sure you'll get some good feedback...