Need more HCG or no?

[yessir66]

Hello all, i am 6 weeks into a test prop cycle of 50 mg ED, along with 50 mg of proviron ED. I have been taking HCG at 250 IUs every monday and thursday starting from about week 2, and up until now my testes had remained normal size. i did some research and found that some people said HCG only lasts 30 days in the fridge after reconstitution, but some say its guaranteed 30 days but can last up to 60 before going inactive. but after the 30 day mark was up going into week 5 my testes shrunk down to about the size of grapes and are mushy. would this obviously tell me that my HCG has expired and would need to get some new vials to bring them back up to size for an easier transition into pct? or is 250 IU 2x a week not enough to keep the testes from shrinking? so basically my question is has my HCG expired?

[1cc]

The Novarel brand is only good for 30 days, the APP brand is good for 60 days.

[The_Skeptic]

Originally Posted by 1cc

The Novarel brand is only good for 30 days, the APP brand is good for 60 days.

What about Pregnyl?

[1cc]

Originally Posted by The_Skeptic

What about Pregnyl?

Don't know. Should say in the insert.

[Normandy]

The rest of you guys are actually keeping decent testicular volume by adding just 250 IU twice a week?? That seems like such a tiny amount. Especially when you consider how suppressive TRT is.
If that's the case, somebody ought to be making 2,000 IU vials to corner the hypogonadic market.
But seriously though, im curious about the above question.



-- Normandy

[yessir66]

thanks for the replys bros, im sure my HCG has gone bad after the 4 week mark, which means my testes would of gone unstimulated for 2 weeks, since i just started PCT at the end of week six, lets hope the testes are quick to respond, ill give them a few weeks of PCT and if they are still shrunken and not responding, first ill get a blood test to determine my test level, then probably buy more HCG and blast them for about a week in small doses and continue to do PCT for a month after. thanks in advance for any other comments/suggestions..

[Ruper]

Sounds like a sensible way to go.

It also sounds like you are prone to shrinkage - everyone is different. For instance, although on TRT, not a cycle, I can easily go a week without any HCG and not notice any reduction in size. I can also go for several weeks at very low doses (200-300IU/week).

Also, HCG is not going to 'suddenly' go bad. It basically starts to decay as soon as you mix it. I'm not sure how the manufacturers decide on the 'expired' point. So, it may be if you increased the dose from week 4-6 say, you could make it last - but really, like I said, I don't know how fast it decays, so that's probably not worth trying.

You might need a 'large' dose to get started again (like 1-2000IU). I'd search around the steroid forum and PM some of the more knowledgeable people for opinions. And you will probably get quite a few differing opinions.

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by Ruper

Sounds like a sensible way to go.

It also sounds like you are prone to shrinkage - everyone is different. For instance, although on TRT, not a cycle, I can easily go a week without any HCG and not notice any reduction in size. I can also go for several weeks at very low doses (200-300IU/week).

Also, HCG is not going to 'suddenly' go bad. It basically starts to decay as soon as you mix it. I'm not sure how the manufacturers decide on the 'expired' point. So, it may be if you increased the dose from week 4-6 say, you could make it last - but really, like I said, I don't know how fast it decays, so that's probably not worth trying.

You might need a 'large' dose to get started again (like 1-2000IU). I'd search around the steroid forum and PM some of the more knowledgeable people for opinions. And you will probably get quite a few differing opinions.

You can test your HCG I have done this many times get a test pregnant test. Please don't pee on it but get the test that you put a samller amout of pee on it and put the HCG on it if your pregnant it's still good. I have tested my Novarel after 30 days like 33 days and it was not good.

[1cc]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

I have tested my Novarel after 30 days like 33 days and it was not good.

Did you ever test your Novarel before 30 days?

[pmgamer18]

Originally Posted by 1cc

Did you ever test your Novarel before 30 days?

Yes at 2 weeks and 3 it was good but I do up my dose at 3 weeks I find it is weaker so I double it. But after I do my shot at 5:30 am I go back to bed and I can't realy sleep but in 30 to 45 mins. I get this feeling that comes over me that is such a calm and like a ton has been lifted off my body. After 3 weeks I start to lose this so upping my dose from 250 to 500 dose the trick. I can feel my face relax when it works.

[1cc]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

Yes at 2 weeks and 3 it was good but I do up my dose at 3 weeks I find it is weaker so I double it.

Thats interesting. I also had the same experience. Around week 3-4 the Novarel wasn't having the same effect. Makes you wonder how the heck they do their quality control. I am thinking that because the prescribed dose on the insert is much higher than what we are using, most people at the higher dose are not affected, and it is only noticed at the lower doses.

[pmgamer18]

This could be it but when I first started using novarel APP made it and it was good for 60 days. I feel the water that the new Co. uses is not the same as what APP uses. I did about 9 box's of the older Novarel and went longer then 60 days hell I use it all up the opened a new box.

[hackskii]

Originally Posted by yessir66

Hello all, i am 6 weeks into a test prop cycle of 50 mg ED, along with 50 mg of proviron ED. I have been taking HCG at 250 IUs every monday and thursday starting from about week 2, and up until now my testes had remained normal size. i did some research and found that some people said HCG only lasts 30 days in the fridge after reconstitution, but some say its guaranteed 30 days but can last up to 60 before going inactive. but after the 30 day mark was up going into week 5 my testes shrunk down to about the size of grapes and are mushy. would this obviously tell me that my HCG has expired and would need to get some new vials to bring them back up to size for an easier transition into pct? or is 250 IU 2x a week not enough to keep the testes from shrinking? so basically my question is has my HCG expired?

First of all what brand is it?
If it is pregnyl then they use sterile water and it will not last 30 days.

If it is novarel, I have used mine 6 weeks and it still worked, although I had to use more.

Another option is this, it takes about 3 weeks to see atrophy from what I noticed, you could have started at week 2 or even 3.
I also notice that the longer the cycle the more HCG I need.
I found that 500 twice a week worked for about 5 weeks, then I had to blast another 500 day so that was 3 times a week to keep atrophy at bay.

6 weeks is not that long really for a cycle and maybe clomid and nolva will be ok but you are lengthinnig the time for recovery.
For PCT using prop will be about 3 days to start PCT.

If it was me, I would get some more HCG and bang that @ 500 a day till you get the nuts back. But if they are like grapes that might not be enough TBH.
Alot of recovery is dependant on the nuts comming online.
If nuts are atrophied and you start the clomid and nolva it will take longer to fire the nuts than using HCG.

HCG will cause some supression of your pituitary and hypothalamus but again if the nuts wont fire the other is worthless.

6 weeks to get grapes is just like me. Poor guy I bet recovery will be rough without more HCG, just like it would be with me.

Go get some HCG.
If it is novarel then you should be fine after 30 days unless it got warm.

[Ruper]

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

You can test your HCG I have done this many times get a test pregnant test. Please don't pee on it but get the test that you put a samller amout of pee on it and put the HCG on it if your pregnant it's still good. I have tested my Novarel after 30 days like 33 days and it was not good.

How does that tell you the concentration of HCG? To me it just says there is or isn't enough to pass a pregnancy test - not sue what concentration that would be, or how it would relate to the initial concentration.

Surely the concentration does not stay the same and suddenly drop to zero?

[hackskii]

Using a pregnancy test will tell you if it tests positive for being HCG, it will not tell you how potent, it just tells you if it is real.

The reason why I found out about the pregnancy testing is when I bought HGH I wanted to make sure it was not HCG, both come in 10ml bottles (Humatrope), both look exactally the same and both have adhesive labels on them.
Guys would swap the labels off of HCG which runs around $33.00 a bottle with the HGH bottles which run around $200.00 a bottle.
No way of knowing by looking at them that you got faked.

So, you would reconstitute like normal, then use some HGH in the test kit for pregnancy, if it showed up positive then you got faked.

I have used the pregnancy test kit once when I found the HCG (pregnyl from Mexico) wasnt working. I tested it and found out it was inactive for some reason.
There are some test kits that take like a drop to make turn positive or negative and others take way too much to make turn either or.

If you use pregnyl and have just the solvent that you have with the amps you would be better off using sterile water and it is only $5.00 for a 30ml bottle. This will make the HCG last much longer than the sterile water, which is ment to be shot at that time and not really stored.