Men's Health Forum: This is a discussion on New labs from Quest. within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; Originally Posted by Vforcer2
This half inch needle straight into the thigh never made sense to me. Is it IM ...
This half inch needle straight into the thigh never made sense to me. Is it IM or Subq? I think half the time it is straight into the blood stream and metabolized immediately. This could be why the levels were low.
I started doing it in the thigh and after thinking about the ambiguity of that method switched to abdominal fat where I know for a fact it is a Subq shot.
No his levels dropped becuase he dropped dosage from 64 mgs down to 50 mgs every 3 days. I do not think it was because of the type of shot he was doing.
Here is how it happened I was doing 64mgs of 200mgs./ml of Depo T shots every 3 days and the 2 days each in between I was doing 350 IU's of HCG. I am on Armour for my thyroid and was doing 8 pills a day of Isocort = 20 mgs. of cortisol. My Dr. switched me to Cortef 20mgs a day. In 6 weeks I did my normal blood work we test every 6 weeks. My tests come back after only changing from Isocort to Cortef way to high for both TT and FT. My Dr. never changes my TRT on one lab so in 6 weeks my labs were still to high. So we figured it was the Cortef that made my levels go so high. Adding in cortef took the stress out of my body and the TRT now must be to high. So he lowerd the HCG down to 250 IU's and the T shots down to 50mgs.every 3 days.
In he next 6 weeks my labs came back to low so he upped the dose of HCG to 300 IU's and this is what happened with my labs that I just posted.
JanSz my testis are makeing most of my T levels using HCG before adding the HCG my labs on depo T were 500 to 600 adding HCG my labs doubled. This is how I figured out I am Secondary not Primary like the dam Dr.'s have said for over 23 yrs.
I switched from using BioTech labs to Quest because most of my tests that are ordered are jobed out to Quest so to stop the problems I was having with my Health Care we are just going to use Quest.
I feel so dam good on this new med florinef it's like night and day. Because of my Pituitary my hormones are a mess I don't have high enough aldosterone and renin levels so my body does not hold sodium I have been for yrs. felt way to hot and sweat all day and night when summer comes I can't take the heat. I have been going to the bathroom every 2 hrs 24/7 for yrs. And the fatigue is dam bad. Just starting on this new med I am doing great last night is the first night I slept all not and did not get up once to go to the bathroom. Today the heat is not as bad and I don't feel so fatigued. I just pray this keeps up.
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JanSz my testis are makeing most of my T levels using HCG before adding the HCG my labs on depo T were 500 to 600 adding HCG my labs doubled. This is how I figured out I am Secondary not Primary like the dam Dr.'s have said for over 23 yrs.
I switched from using BioTech labs to Quest because most of my tests that are ordered are jobed out to Quest so to stop the problems I was having with my Health Care we are just going to use Quest.
I feel so dam good on this new med florinef it's like night and day. Because of my Pituitary my hormones are a mess I don't have high enough aldosterone and renin levels so my body does not hold sodium I have been for yrs. felt way to hot and sweat all day and night when summer comes I can't take the heat. I have been going to the bathroom every 2 hrs 24/7 for yrs. And the fatigue is dam bad. Just starting on this new med I am doing great last night is the first night I slept all not and did not get up once to go to the bathroom. Today the heat is not as bad and I don't feel so fatigued. I just pray this keeps up.
I do not know how to look at aldosterone or sodium, but I got these results, are they good or bad?
Aldosterone 4 ng/dL (<or=28)
Sodium 144 nmol/L (135-146)
No your lower then I was I was 8 "Aldosterone 4 ng/dL (<or=28)" Read these links this one is about the testing. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com...opic.php?t=581
This is a good thread that is growing fast all ready 9 pages long.
This half inch needle straight into the thigh never made sense to me. Is it IM or Subq? I think half the time it is straight into the blood stream and metabolized immediately. This could be why the levels were low.
I started doing it in the thigh and after thinking about the ambiguity of that method switched to abdominal fat where I know for a fact it is a Subq shot.
I know of several who inject IM with 1/2 inch needles and it works fine for them. I would tend to think its a BF issue. As long as your BF is within reason, 1/2 IM should be just fine.
Then again, if your BF is so high that you cannot get good absorbtion from 1/2 you have other, more important problems to address.
One more tidbit I would like to add in fellas is that is a fact that T levels are statistically the lowest in the months of april and highest in the months of Oct due to seasonal changes that can have a reasonable affect on T levels.
Something for all of you to consider when getting blood drawn in the spring time.
I am glad to hear that you are doing so well after suffering for many years. I am much younger than you are. Hope I do not have to live with this until I am in my 50's. Unfortunately, to doctors in Hawaii, adrenal insufficiency is the rare disease that no one ever has. The symptoms can always be attributed to a less "rare" diagnosis. I have been lurking at the STTM forums for a long time. I think that saved my life. I now know to have sea salt several times per day. Usually, I eat it like candy out of my hand, a 1/4 teaspoon at a time with a spring water chaser. If I forget to take in at least 2 teaspoon a day, I am sick as a dog. Especially if it is warm and humid. I could sure use some Florinef and Cortef, problem is it is tough to get things past Customs. Will not name names or discuss politics, however after 2000, I know Customs was directed to seize personal use quantities of medications. Last year, I lost a 3 month's supply of Florinef and prednisolone.
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All male doctors need to be on a one year cycle of Proscar and Androcur. Maybe then, a hypogonadal man would be treated with the same care given to other patients.
I am glad to hear that you are doing so well after suffering for many years. I am much younger than you are. Hope I do not have to live with this until I am in my 50's. Unfortunately, to doctors in Hawaii, adrenal insufficiency is the rare disease that no one ever has. The symptoms can always be attributed to a less "rare" diagnosis. I have been lurking at the STTM forums for a long time. I think that saved my life. I now know to have sea salt several times per day. Usually, I eat it like candy out of my hand, a 1/4 teaspoon at a time with a spring water chaser. If I forget to take in at least 2 teaspoon a day, I am sick as a dog. Especially if it is warm and humid. I could sure use some Florinef and Cortef, problem is it is tough to get things past Customs. Will not name names or discuss politics, however after 2000, I know Customs was directed to seize personal use quantities of medications. Last year, I lost a 3 month's supply of Florinef and prednisolone.
Well if my Dr. would not have given me the Florinef I was going to get it my self. Having hypoaldosteronism on top of everthing else is a bitch. I am on day 3 of taking only 1/4 of a 100 mcg. pill and man I am cold today thank God I am sitting here with no fan on. I slept good last night never got up once. I did cut way back on my salt and stopped taking a water pill 3 x's a week. Yet this morning I did some sea salt 1/2 a tsp in a glass of water I could tell I needed it. Chris at STTM says most still need a little sea salt on Florinef. My breathing is back to 100% I just can't see how you are getting on with out these meds. You need to find someone that goes to the main land a lot and get them to bring the meds back for you. There has got to be a way to get them. With this last set back I put all the weight I lost 2 yrs ago back on and some. I am hoping with this new med I will get back the gym at the old persons club and work this weight off this will make me feel even better.
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Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.
Phil
Hawaii is the 50th state of the United States. I do not think getting some Florinef and pred shipped to my friends back in the states for them to carry back to Hawaii is a good idea. Remember what they did to Rush Lumbaugh over a couple Viagra in his suitcase. Only reason why his ass is not in jail for that is he is a celebrity.
The way I manage without the Florinef is I take in a lot of salt and try to avoid the heat. I also take 40 mg of HC as the cream. With stress doses whenever I need it. It is just enough to keep me from going into adrenal crisis, but not enough for me to live a normal life. Here, the worst months for me are March, September, October, November and December. The heat and humididty are oppressive in those months. Soon I will be self employed. That means I will have control over my working conditions. A construction site in October is bad if you have untreated adrenal insufficiency.
It is good to hear you are feeling cold. I almost never feel cold. I know something is seriously amisss with me. It can be 90 outside and I do not sweat. What happens instead is my temp is going up to the tune of 99 or 100. My doctor once saw that when I went in for a visit in September. It did not alarm him because I tested within reference range for both the serum cortisol and the ACTH stim test. Most doctors are not aware of the effect adrenal insufficiency has on temperature regulation. Chris thinks I am adrenal insufficient based on my symptoms and my blunted, but within range response to a stim test. I know I am, given my need for so much salt and my response to HC supplementation. Looks like I am on my own fot this one too.
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All male doctors need to be on a one year cycle of Proscar and Androcur. Maybe then, a hypogonadal man would be treated with the same care given to other patients.
Hawaii is the 50th state of the United States. I do not think getting some Florinef and pred shipped to my friends back in the states for them to carry back to Hawaii is a good idea. Remember what they did to Rush Lumbaugh over a couple Viagra in his suitcase. Only reason why his ass is not in jail for that is he is a celebrity.
The way I manage without the Florinef is I take in a lot of salt and try to avoid the heat. I also take 40 mg of HC as the cream. With stress doses whenever I need it. It is just enough to keep me from going into adrenal crisis, but not enough for me to live a normal life. Here, the worst months for me are March, September, October, November and December. The heat and humididty are oppressive in those months. Soon I will be self employed. That means I will have control over my working conditions. A construction site in October is bad if you have untreated adrenal insufficiency.
It is good to hear you are feeling cold. I almost never feel cold. I know something is seriously amisss with me. It can be 90 outside and I do not sweat. What happens instead is my temp is going up to the tune of 99 or 100. My doctor once saw that when I went in for a visit in September. It did not alarm him because I tested within reference range for both the serum cortisol and the ACTH stim test. Most doctors are not aware of the effect adrenal insufficiency has on temperature regulation. Chris thinks I am adrenal insufficient based on my symptoms and my blunted, but within range response to a stim test. I know I am, given my need for so much salt and my response to HC supplementation. Looks like I am on my own fot this one too.
If you got a script for Florinef could you buy it at your local drugstore?
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