New Member - Old Guy...

[jcast]

...well actually old is a state of mind I ain't ready to move to. Found this site a couple of weeks ago. Been reading alot and respect your opinions on HRT. I'll try to keep this short - 49 years old; stage 3 colon cancer in 2006; had surgery and chemo finished in October 06. Been clean of cancer since. Cleaned my diet up (looking at death twice within 10 days will speed that along), taking a boatload of supps every morning including fish oil, resveratrol and too much to list here. No perscription meds except protonix for GERD and cialis for obvious reasons.

This year, started on a compounded Test cream 6ml mix of Chrysin/DHEA/PROG/TEST 10/1/2/12.5 ratio every morning. Never experienced a big difference with it, but did see some strength gains in the gym and my long lost friend morning wood made a return appearance. Been on it for about 3 months the Dr. that started me on it is being relocated and the hospital she practices out of being shut down.

Had my GP run the attached blood test. It was done 7 AM with 12 hour fast. I think I have an E problem; feel like crap pretty much all day, tired, confused, forget most everything, morning wood is gone again. Looking a replacement Dr. but would like to see what you guys think.

Any input from you guys would be appreciated. Thanks.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by jcast

...well actually old is a state of mind I ain't ready to move to. Found this site a couple of weeks ago. Been reading alot and respect your opinions on HRT. I'll try to keep this short - 49 years old; stage 3 colon cancer in 2006; had surgery and chemo finished in October 06. Been clean of cancer since. Cleaned my diet up (looking at death twice within 10 days will speed that along), taking a boatload of supps every morning including fish oil, resveratrol and too much to list here. No perscription meds except protonix for GERD and cialis for obvious reasons.

This year, started on a compounded Test cream 6ml mix of Chrysin/DHEA/PROG/TEST 10/1/2/12.5 ratio every morning. Never experienced a big difference with it, but did see some strength gains in the gym and my long lost friend morning wood made a return appearance. Been on it for about 3 months the Dr. that started me on it is being relocated and the hospital she practices out of being shut down.

Had my GP run the attached blood test. It was done 7 AM with 12 hour fast. I think I have an E problem; feel like crap pretty much all day, tired, confused, forget most everything, morning wood is gone again. Looking a replacement Dr. but would like to see what you guys think.

Any input from you guys would be appreciated. Thanks.

Your cholesterol could come down. Try 500mg Niacin and red yeast rice

Yes your estradiol can come down by 1/3. Try arimidex 1mg per week, use liquid form divided up everyday. PM me for link.

I would ditch the progesterone.

You need way way way more DHEA.

You need hcG

You need pregnenolone cream.

Thank your lucky stars your IGF level is decent.

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by jcast

...well actually old is a state of mind I ain't ready to move to. Found this site a couple of weeks ago. Been reading alot and respect your opinions on HRT. I'll try to keep this short - 49 years old; stage 3 colon cancer in 2006; had surgery and chemo finished in October 06. Been clean of cancer since. Cleaned my diet up (looking at death twice within 10 days will speed that along), taking a boatload of supps every morning including fish oil, resveratrol and too much to list here. No perscription meds except protonix for GERD and cialis for obvious reasons.

This year, started on a compounded Test cream 6ml mix of Chrysin/DHEA/PROG/TEST 10/1/2/12.5 ratio every morning. Never experienced a big difference with it, but did see some strength gains in the gym and my long lost friend morning wood made a return appearance. Been on it for about 3 months the Dr. that started me on it is being relocated and the hospital she practices out of being shut down.

Had my GP run the attached blood test. It was done 7 AM with 12 hour fast. I think I have an E problem; feel like crap pretty much all day, tired, confused, forget most everything, morning wood is gone again. Looking a replacement Dr. but would like to see what you guys think.

Any input from you guys would be appreciated. Thanks.

Off hand;
Your E2 may be a touch high, not much, 0.2cc=20units insuline syringe, of Liquidex, E2D every other day.
You would do better if you could do this test at Quest diagnostics
Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)
result of this test us
59 /------------------------------------ Estradiol, Free (Males (Adult): < or = 0.45 pg/mL )
60 /------------------------------------ Estradiol (Males (Adult): < or = 29 pg/mL)
adjust Liquidex (by 5 units each try) so you get Estradiol, Free (0.45 -0.6)
================================================== =================
With your cancer and all, I suggest you do most or all of this tests at Genova Diagnostics,
they will give you a list of supplements to take to get body back to better balance:
Keep eating all present supplements while doing the testing.
================================================== ======
GDX ONE - Optimal Nutrition Evaluation
The ONE - Optimal Nutrition Evaluation - consists of:
Metabolic Analysis
Amino Acid Analysis
Oxidative Stress Analysis

Essential & Metabolic fatty acid Analysis,
EstroEssence
Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis (CDSA 2.0)
Comprehensive Detoxification Profile.
Hair Elemental Analysis

================================================== ======
see also my post #44 here:
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007 - Page 2
================================================== =====================

Also look for helpfull advice on life with cancer here:

Colorectal Cancer: Online References For Health Concerns

Staging System of Colorectal Cancer
Nutritional Therapies for Colorectal Cancer
Life Extension Foundation Recommendations
Innovative Drug Strategies
--------------------------
Cancer Treatment (Critical Factors): Online Reference For Health Concerns
================================================== ===============
compounded Test cream 6ml mix of Chrysin/DHEA/PROG/TEST 10/1/2/12.5 ratio

can you break this ratio in to mg's
as in
one gram of cream consist of
x mg chrysin
y mg DHEA
z mg prog
w mg Test

how this ratio was developed?
6grams every day that is a lot, I had a problem living with 3 grams, what is your secret

Good luck

get FreeT3 tested

BAT calculator on internet is not good.
but
Freet works ok.
Your Freet is slightly low, not much

Get 2 pills a day (DHEA complete) from LEF

[pmgamer18]

Ok here is my take on this.

Cortisol 17.4 to me is questionable labs have lowed the range a good level is 25. I would get a Saliva test one that checks this 4x's in a day. With all thay you have gone through your Adrenals can be stressed.

Here is the lab we use at STTM.
LAB WORK from Canary Club for special prices. The saliva test is for a full spectrum: thyroid (TSH, free T3, free T4), adrenals (cortisol and DHEA), estrogen, progesterone, testosterone. You can choose from two lab facilities–Diagnos Tech (saliva test for $144.50) or ZRT (saliva plus blood spot test for $199).
thecanaryclub.org/

Your Prolactin is up over the top of range need to keep an eye on this.

Estradiol is on the high side for a SHBG of 22 you might feel much better getting this down to 20 pg/ml. And should bring up your Free T and bring back your wood. Try Arimidex the pills come in 1 mg. cut them in to 4 parts and take .25mgs every 3 days you should get wood back in less then 2 weeks this means your in the right level for you. Your wood is the best gauge to not go to low so if wood stops. Stop the Arimidex until it comes back then that day go back on it but do less like .25mgs every 5 days and so on.

DHEA-S is low this is why I say test your cortisol levels.

TSH very high anything over 2 is to be looked into.
Stop The Thyroid Madness » Index Page
Need the Free T3 (note the word “free”)
* Thyroid Antibodies (anti-TPO and TgAb. YOU NEED BOTH.)
* Ferritin (and do stress FERRITIN, not just RBC)
B-12 and Reverse T3

IGF-1 if you have adrenal and thyroid problems and treat them this level can up up.

If you can't get the same compounded cream then switch to shots. Starting at 100mgs every week do your own shots.

I do my shots using a small 27g 1ml x 1/2" lg. needle shooting 200mgs/ml of Depo Testosterone.
I do my shots into my thigh.

[jcast]

Thanks guys - PC I've done the Niacin and red rice yeast for the cholesterol, but not together. The 252 is down from 276. It didn't shoot up like that until the chemo.

pmgamer - I've got the kit for another saliva test, haven't done it because the Dr. who ordered it is not going to be around. It gets sent to a lab in Wisconsin or Wyoming (one of those W states) Would the results get sent directly to me or does a Dr. have to get them?

JanSz - 6mg is alot, not a lot of space to put it and takes a while before I can get dressed.

We kept upping the dosage because I wasn't getting any reaction from it. The ratio came from the Dr. I was seeing and the pharmacist. From what I read and been told by the Dr. I should have felt a significant difference when it kicked it. I never really felt a whole lot different. Total T was about 300 when I started and I still don't feel alot different. My oncologist said there is something called 'chemo brain' where you're pretty much in a fog all the time - that's a description of where I'm at. Add to that the ed and I'm alot of fun to be around.

I guess the next step is to find a Dr. that can respond to this along the lines of what you guys have been talking. I did the search one of the posts had and none come back within 90 miles of where I am. My GP may be able to be talked into some of this, he's been pretty good with me so far.

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by jcast

Thanks guys - PC I've done the Niacin and red rice yeast for the cholesterol, but not together. The 252 is down from 276. It didn't shoot up like that until the chemo.

pmgamer - I've got the kit for another saliva test, haven't done it because the Dr. who ordered it is not going to be around. It gets sent to a lab in Wisconsin or Wyoming (one of those W states) Would the results get sent directly to me or does a Dr. have to get them?

JanSz - 6mg is alot, not a lot of space to put it and takes a while before I can get dressed.

We kept upping the dosage because I wasn't getting any reaction from it. The ratio came from the Dr. I was seeing and the pharmacist. From what I read and been told by the Dr. I should have felt a significant difference when it kicked it. I never really felt a whole lot different. Total T was about 300 when I started and I still don't feel alot different. My oncologist said there is something called 'chemo brain' where you're pretty much in a fog all the time - that's a description of where I'm at. Add to that the ed and I'm alot of fun to be around.

I guess the next step is to find a Dr. that can respond to this along the lines of what you guys have been talking. I did the search one of the posts had and none come back within 90 miles of where I am. My GP may be able to be talked into some of this, he's been pretty good with me so far.

If you have cancer look into methyation issues as I have pointed out to jansz and was uncovered via urine test estroessence. Look into iodine defieincy through urine testing and load. methyation and cancer run hand in hand. People with cancer can not convert vitamins in to active form and need coenzymatic b-complex and alo folonic acid vs folic acid. They also should have RBC fatty acid because cancer depetes omega 3 at a faster rae and tend to build up omega 6 more easily causing arachondonic acid to build up and siolent inflammation. IF you have medicare look into spectracell testing its the most accurate testing on the market and my dr uses to back up genova labs.

[plymouth city]

Originally Posted by jcast

Thanks guys - PC I've done the Niacin and red rice yeast for the cholesterol, but not together. The 252 is down from 276. It didn't shoot up like that until the chemo.

pmgamer - I've got the kit for another saliva test, haven't done it because the Dr. who ordered it is not going to be around. It gets sent to a lab in Wisconsin or Wyoming (one of those W states) Would the results get sent directly to me or does a Dr. have to get them?

JanSz - 6mg is alot, not a lot of space to put it and takes a while before I can get dressed.

We kept upping the dosage because I wasn't getting any reaction from it. The ratio came from the Dr. I was seeing and the pharmacist. From what I read and been told by the Dr. I should have felt a significant difference when it kicked it. I never really felt a whole lot different. Total T was about 300 when I started and I still don't feel alot different. My oncologist said there is something called 'chemo brain' where you're pretty much in a fog all the time - that's a description of where I'm at. Add to that the ed and I'm alot of fun to be around.

I guess the next step is to find a Dr. that can respond to this along the lines of what you guys have been talking. I did the search one of the posts had and none come back within 90 miles of where I am. My GP may be able to be talked into some of this, he's been pretty good with me so far.

Look into compounded T. 6 grams is a ton of cream, I couldn't handle that much either.

With compounded T your looking at a whole lot less of cream. Probably only 1gram.

[pmgamer18]

Yes you order the test and it comes back to you over the web I think thngs change call them and ask.

Originally Posted by jcast

Thanks guys - PC I've done the Niacin and red rice yeast for the cholesterol, but not together. The 252 is down from 276. It didn't shoot up like that until the chemo.

pmgamer - I've got the kit for another saliva test, haven't done it because the Dr. who ordered it is not going to be around. It gets sent to a lab in Wisconsin or Wyoming (one of those W states) Would the results get sent directly to me or does a Dr. have to get them?

JanSz - 6mg is alot, not a lot of space to put it and takes a while before I can get dressed.

We kept upping the dosage because I wasn't getting any reaction from it. The ratio came from the Dr. I was seeing and the pharmacist. From what I read and been told by the Dr. I should have felt a significant difference when it kicked it. I never really felt a whole lot different. Total T was about 300 when I started and I still don't feel alot different. My oncologist said there is something called 'chemo brain' where you're pretty much in a fog all the time - that's a description of where I'm at. Add to that the ed and I'm alot of fun to be around.

I guess the next step is to find a Dr. that can respond to this along the lines of what you guys have been talking. I did the search one of the posts had and none come back within 90 miles of where I am. My GP may be able to be talked into some of this, he's been pretty good with me so far.

[jcast]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

If you have cancer look into methyation issues as I have pointed out to jansz and was uncovered via urine test estroessence. Look into iodine defieincy through urine testing and load. methyation and cancer run hand in hand. People with cancer can not convert vitamins in to active form and need coenzymatic b-complex and alo folonic acid vs folic acid. They also should have RBC fatty acid because cancer depetes omega 3 at a faster rae and tend to build up omega 6 more easily causing arachondonic acid to build up and siolent inflammation. IF you have medicare look into spectracell testing its the most accurate testing on the market and my dr uses to back up genova labs.

Appreciate this point HAN. I'm also seeing a homeopathic practitioner who put me on the co b-complex and alot more but not the folonic acid. Makes sense. I ain't quite old enough yet for medicare but closer than I'll admit. I do have a great insurance plan though and will check into the spectracell testing. It looks like Genova Labs will be covered by my plan. That's real good.

You all have been amazingly helpful and I'll keep this post current to help anyone else who may have a cancer/HRT issue. Regardless of your age, if there is a history of colon cancer in your family get a colonoscopy NOW. The Drs told me I probably had this since my late 20's at which time it just a polyp and would have been a non-issue to have removed. I lived through it - which was a God thing and a story too long for this as the surgeon almost killed me twice - but it's something that's totally managable in its early stages and there's no reason to avoid getting checked out. Make sure they use Versed -makes for a great sleep during the test!

Got an email today from the Dr. that started the HRT . She'll be coming up to my area a couple of times a month starting in January but she'll do phone consults now. I'm talking with her tomorrow about the bw and see if I can move forward on some of the input you guys had today.

I really do thank you guys for the help.

[JanSz]

Just ot organize my respose and add few items, I was rushing in the morning.
Plus you said latter that your doc may just oblige to your requests;
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Your E2 may be a touch high, not much, 0.2cc=20units insuline syringe, of Liquidex, E2D every other day.
You would do better if you could do this test at Quest diagnostics
Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)
result of this test us
59 /------------------------------------ Estradiol, Free (Males (Adult): < or = 0.45 pg/mL )
60 /------------------------------------ Estradiol (Males (Adult): < or = 29 pg/mL)
adjust Liquidex (by 5 units each try) so you get Estradiol, Free (0.45 -0.6)
================================================== =================
Using 6grams of cream daily may be a chore, plus many people have problem getting stuff thru skin.
I suggest that you get compounded pregnenolone cream
100mg/1gram, use 2grams daily

Get 2 pills a day (DHEA complete) from LEF
Dhea Complete, 60 Capsules
If blood test shows that you are not on the top of range or up to 650
keep adding this DHEA pills
Dhea (Dehydroepiandrosterone) Free Base, 100 Mg 60 Capsules

To replace chrysin use this two products:
Super Miraforte With Max Strength Chrysin, 120 Caps
Ultra Natural Prostate With 5-Loxin® And Standardized Lignans, 60 Softgels
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Your testosterone level could be better.
If you are able to get tested a Quest, use this test:
------------
Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)
result of this test is:
Testosterone Total
Testosterone Free
Testosterone Bioavailable
SHBG
Albumin
-------------
You would go by top range of TBioavailable
that method apply only if you are using this test.
If not, the approximation is to use chart on post #41
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007 - Page 2
you want to be FreeT ~(250-300)
or calculator
Free & Bioavailable Testosterone calculator
use this calculator only for FreeT
BAT there comes out wrong.

To replace Testosterone in your cream
see table on post #40
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007 - Page 2
SHBG=22
145 1030 22.6 300 x33.5 250
use 145mg/week Testosterone injection, E2D schedule
use 250iu HCG on the next day
200mg/mL testosterone
145/7*2/200=0.207cc=21units on insuline syringe.
Use 31ga 5/16" 3/10cc syringe.
Both shots T and HCG are subQ



================================================== =================
With your cancer and all, I suggest you do most or all of this tests at Genova Diagnostics,
they will give you a list of supplements to take to get body back to better balance:
Keep eating all present supplements while doing the testing.
That should be the best way to get your body in line as much as possible.
Retest after 6 months or so.
================================================== ======
GDX ONE - Optimal Nutrition Evaluation
The ONE - Optimal Nutrition Evaluation - consists of:
Metabolic Analysis
Amino Acid Analysis
Oxidative Stress Analysis

Essential & Metabolic fatty acid Analysis,
EstroEssence
Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis (CDSA 2.0)
Comprehensive Detoxification Profile.
Hair Elemental Analysis

================================================== ======
see also my post #44 here:
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007 - Page 2
you should do the whole list
================================================== =====================

Also look for helpfull advice on life with cancer here:

Colorectal Cancer: Online References For Health Concerns

Staging System of Colorectal Cancer
Nutritional Therapies for Colorectal Cancer
Life Extension Foundation Recommendations (but I would give precedence to recomendations that you will get from Genova tests.)
Innovative Drug Strategies
--------------------------
Cancer Treatment (Critical Factors): Online Reference For Health Concerns
Cancer Treatment (Critical Factors): Online Reference For Health Concerns
================================================== ===============


Good luck

get FreeT3 tested

[jcast]

Originally Posted by JanSz

GDX ONE - Optimal Nutrition Evaluation
The ONE - Optimal Nutrition Evaluation - consists of:
Metabolic Analysis
Amino Acid Analysis
Oxidative Stress Analysis

Essential & Metabolic fatty acid Analysis,
EstroEssence
Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis (CDSA 2.0)
Comprehensive Detoxification Profile.
Hair Elemental Analysis

Thanks for the update Jan - I just went to Genova website - the ONE you recommended above can't be ordered in New York State. In fact, most of Genova's tests can't be done in NY. Every Dr./homeopath I have dealt with in this state has said New York is the worst to practice or attempt to practice this kind of medicine in. We are not only among the highest taxed in the nation, we have the pleasure of powerful lobbies in our corrupt state Assembly that have effectively stopped every attempt to practice medicine outside of the conventional way. That really sucks.

I'll see how I make out with the good Dr. tomorrow...

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by jcast

Thanks for the update Jan - I just went to Genova website - the ONE you recommended above can't be ordered in New York State. In fact, most of Genova's tests can't be done in NY. Every Dr./homeopath I have dealt with in this state has said New York is the worst to practice or attempt to practice this kind of medicine in. We are not only among the highest taxed in the nation, we have the pleasure of powerful lobbies in our corrupt state Assembly that have effectively stopped every attempt to practice medicine outside of the conventional way. That really sucks.

I'll see how I make out with the good Dr. tomorrow...

Have it ordered to NJ and go pick it up. If you have good insurance JANSZ drs is close to NYC and would definietrly be worth the trip to get proper testing.
Testing I emphasis is
RBC fatty acid
estroessnce testing
spectra cell.
liver detoxifcation profile

[jcast]

Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

Have it ordered to NJ and go pick it up. If you have good insurance JANSZ drs is close to NYC and would definietrly be worth the trip to get proper testing.
Testing I emphasis is
RBC fatty acid
estroessnce testing
spectra cell.
liver detoxifcation profile

That's not a bad idea...I'm 4 hours from the City actually have a mailing address in South Jersey I can use if that helps. Here's a dumb question - if NY doesn't allow the tests that would mean my NY insurance won't pay for it, right?

[hardasnails1973]

Originally Posted by jcast

That's not a bad idea...I'm 4 hours from the City actually have a mailing address in South Jersey I can use if that helps. Here's a dumb question - if NY doesn't allow the tests that would mean my NY insurance won't pay for it, right?

CAll your insurance to verify ..Some insurance are good in some ares of the united states or have specific limittions. Be smart and call your provideer

[jcast]

Just spoke w/the Dr. I knew this before I started posting here, but you guys are good

She's goin for the DHEA increase, reduced the dosage on the T cream to 2 , she wanted me to use DIM for the E, but I already ordered the arimidex so I'll use that.

She is concerned about the TSH results but doesn't want to do anything until I'm retested in 6 weeks. I think that's a bit long given where my head and the rest of me are at, but I'll give a chance for these other changes to take effect. She did mention Armour but wanted to wait until I'm retested.

pmgamer - I think you said I should see an effect from the reduced E in about 2 weeks? I don't think my T was too high so I'm not crazy about cuttin back from 6 to 2. Maybe 4 would be a more reasonable number? If my E was out of whack then the arimidex will take care of that so what would be the point in lowering T further? I do know that making a change in one thing goin into your body does not occur in a vacuum, a whole bunch of other stuff is affected. I think I'm starting to talk myself in circles so I'll shut up - welcome to my brain