New testosterone hcg injection protocol

[zkt]

For the last couple weeks I have been injecting both T and hcg in the same syringe and at the same time e3d and in the amounts: t=.2-.25 ml(25-50 mg T) , hcg=1000-1500 iu subq witha 27x1/2 needle. This makes sense considering the time concentration curves of both T and hcg when injected subq and cuts down on the number of injections as compared to the twice weekly T and hcg at the end of the week.
Anyone else doing this or want to explore it ?

[techlogik]

So what does the labwork show and how do you feel?

[AmishRakeFight]

I would be concerned about the sanitary considerations and possible mixing of the drugs in the vials, even though it would be minor. Doesn't sound like something I'd like to do at all. What process are you using to draw the different compounds into the same syringe?

[zkt]

Originally Posted by AmishRakeFight

I would be concerned about the sanitary considerations and possible mixing of the drugs in the vials, even though it would be minor. Doesn't sound like something I'd like to do at all. What process are you using to draw the different compounds into the same syringe?

I use a 23gx1 needle to draw the hcg and then the testosterone into the sryinge. Then change the needle to a 27gx1/2. It is the same procedure for injecting either T or hcg and just as sterile.
Injecting T on a weekly basic definitely drove serum levels too high for days 2-3 and by the end of the week I crashed. Injecting T twice weekly and hcg at the end was just too many sticks.Seems to be working out real well. The testosterone peak isnt as extreme due to the lower doseage and I am able to cut down on it as planned. The hcg tends to level out the seerum levels due because it acts faster and still has an efffect by the time the T has peaked.
There is a graph of the time concentration curves of testosterone, E2 and DHT around here somewhere but i lost the link. Maybe someone will post it.

[MacDonnell]

Originally Posted by zkt

I use a 23gx1 needle to draw the hcg and then the testosterone into the sryinge. Then change the needle to a 27gx1/2. It is the same procedure for injecting either T or hcg and just as sterile.
Injecting T on a weekly basic definitely drove serum levels too high for days 2-3 and by the end of the week I crashed. Injecting T twice weekly and hcg at the end was just too many sticks.Seems to be working out real well. The testosterone peak isnt as extreme due to the lower doseage and I am able to cut down on it as planned. The hcg tends to level out the seerum levels due because it acts faster and still has an efffect by the time the T has peaked.
There is a graph of the time concentration curves of testosterone, E2 and DHT around here somewhere but i lost the link. Maybe someone will post it.

Makes perfect sense to me. I have the same problem - I'm on weekly injections, and I crash after a couple of days. My doctor does not see the need to have me do twice weekly injections, despite a request to do this. I also feel that if I took higher doses of HCG (as you do), this would be beneficial, esp. in regard to raising my E2. I guess as long as I can't write a script, I'm stuck. Just wondering how long he's going to keep me on the same "track" when I've obviously plateaued and when there is still need for improvement.

[zkt]

Originally Posted by MacDonnell

Makes perfect sense to me. I have the same problem - I'm on weekly injections, and I crash after a couple of days. My doctor does not see the need to have me do twice weekly injections, despite a request to do this. I also feel that if I took higher doses of HCG (as you do), this would be beneficial, esp. in regard to raising my E2. I guess as long as I can't write a script, I'm stuck. Just wondering how long he's going to keep me on the same "track" when I've obviously plateaued and when there is still need for improvement.

Thats insane. Does he understand that you would be injecting half as much testosterone twice as often and the total would be the same ?
Doctors arent known for their adventureous nature but to categorically rule out twice a week injections defies logical thought. The hcg problem you can readily solve now.

[MacDonnell]

Originally Posted by zkt

Thats insane. Does he understand that you would be injecting half as much testosterone twice as often and the total would be the same ?
Doctors arent known for their adventureous nature but to categorically rule out twice a week injections defies logical thought. The hcg problem you can readily solve now.

I know. Unfortunately, he's a well-known doctor in this field. If I don't get a better plan of action from him in the near future, I'm going with HAN and his doc.

[cpeil2]

Originally Posted by zkt

I use a 23gx1 needle to draw the hcg and then the testosterone into the sryinge. Then change the needle to a 27gx1/2. It is the same procedure for injecting either T or hcg and just as sterile.
Injecting T on a weekly basic definitely drove serum levels too high for days 2-3 and by the end of the week I crashed. Injecting T twice weekly and hcg at the end was just too many sticks.Seems to be working out real well. The testosterone peak isnt as extreme due to the lower doseage and I am able to cut down on it as planned. The hcg tends to level out the seerum levels due because it acts faster and still has an efffect by the time the T has peaked.
There is a graph of the time concentration curves of testosterone, E2 and DHT around here somewhere but i lost the link. Maybe someone will post it.

It bothers me that you're combining polar and non-polar (aqueous and oil-based) in the same syringe.

[zkt]

Originally Posted by cpeil2

It bothers me that you're combining polar and non-polar (aqueous and oil-based) in the same syringe.

Now thats an interesting thought. Actually the sryinge contains a little air at the plunger end too so as not to waste any of the hcg. But this is a common practice. Why might the combination of polar and non-polar solutes be a problem ? Seems to me that both components end up as a depot and the body can certainly handle each component seperately- so why not together ? Or are you thinking along different lines ?

[jinxie1]

Originally Posted by MacDonnell

Makes perfect sense to me. I have the same problem - I'm on weekly injections, and I crash after a couple of days. My doctor does not see the need to have me do twice weekly injections, despite a request to do this. I also feel that if I took higher doses of HCG (as you do), this would be beneficial, esp. in regard to raising my E2. I guess as long as I can't write a script, I'm stuck. Just wondering how long he's going to keep me on the same "track" when I've obviously plateaued and when there is still need for improvement.

Mac, just order more syringes online, and divide the dose. You dont need a script online. As for hCG, I assume you are ordering10k IUs every month, and throwing out most of it, so you prolly have enough to shoot much more.

I generally don't advocate people taking medicine practice into their own hands, but dividing a dose seems like a no brainer. Plus you're a smart guy (not a number chaser) and a good study.

Hang in there. Sucks that your doc is being a unsupportive.

Best,
J

[jinxie1]

Originally Posted by zkt

Thats insane. Does he understand that you would be injecting half as much testosterone twice as often and the total would be the same ?
Doctors arent known for their adventureous nature but to categorically rule out twice a week injections defies logical thought. The hcg problem you can readily solve now.

I'm pretty certain that some of his (the unnamed doc) other patients are shooting twice per week.

[Gator8]

I think given the cost of syringes, we are sorting out the mouse turds from the pepper. Use a clean sterile syringe for each medication and each dose. if cost is a concern, load the syringe with two or three doses and recap it and store it in the fridge. Another injection is no concern if you are doing the injections correctly.

[zkt]

Its not that. I just got this thing about needles. Its also a matter of timing the serum concentration for maximum T stability. Thats what it is really about. But in light of the studies I jst sent you maybe its not working exactly as I had figured