Next move? Varicocele Research Paper (HCG)

[Megazoid]

Before i decide to end it for good, i spent tonight doing more research on varicocele and it's effects on testosterone, fertility and impotence.

My left testicle shrunk due to varicocele which caused my low t symptoms. My right testicle was shrunk already due to being undescended as a child. Due to the fact i don't have elevated LH/FSH, i thought i might still respond to HCG stimulation. I haven't tried any form of nolvadex, clomid or HCG to date. It's been noted on various research papers that varicocele sufferers don't get back lost testicular size but i am willing to give it a go anyway, i know that JanSz has varicocele and recovered size (and maybe function?) using HCG.

I would like people's input on this, the paper is located here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

I still have a sub-clinical varicocele on my left testicle which may or may not be causing problems still. Either way, my testicles are small and not putting out enough testosterone. The sub-clinical varicocele is however causing reflux between the kidney vein and adrenal gland. The main varicocele has been cleared however as i can no longer feel anything. I do get pain sometimes still though but believe this is purely because my testicle can move around allot more due to be shrunk. It's very difficult to truelly cure varicocele, even in pure surgical cases.

I am running 125mg of test a week and my anti-aging doctor didn't want to "over-complicate" thing's by adding in HCG to the cycle, however i don't want to make thing's worse but still feel giving HCG a go is worthwhile.

How should i incorporate HCG into this TRT protocol? Should i stop my weekly injections and do HCG EOD instead? I don't want to use more than 250iu at a time due to E2 fluctations.

Any help would be great.

[Megazoid]

This article is also very intresting but i am not sure what drug they are meaning:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

This article seem's to refer to needle pricking which i have no clue what that means:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by Megazoid

Before i decide to end it for good, i spent tonight doing more research on varicocele and it's effects on testosterone, fertility and impotence.

My left testicle shrunk due to varicocele which caused my low t symptoms. My right testicle was shrunk already due to being undescended as a child. Due to the fact i don't have elevated LH/FSH, i thought i might still respond to HCG stimulation. I haven't tried any form of nolvadex, clomid or HCG to date. It's been noted on various research papers that varicocele sufferers don't get back lost testicular size but i am willing to give it a go anyway, i know that JanSz has varicocele and recovered size (and maybe function?) using HCG.

I would like people's input on this, the paper is located here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

I still have a sub-clinical varicocele on my left testicle which may or may not be causing problems still. Either way, my testicles are small and not putting out enough testosterone. The sub-clinical varicocele is however causing reflux between the kidney vein and adrenal gland. The main varicocele has been cleared however as i can no longer feel anything. I do get pain sometimes still though but believe this is purely because my testicle can move around allot more due to be shrunk. It's very difficult to truelly cure varicocele, even in pure surgical cases.

I am running 125mg of test a week and my anti-aging doctor didn't want to "over-complicate" thing's by adding in HCG to the cycle, however i don't want to make thing's worse but still feel giving HCG a go is worthwhile.

How should i incorporate HCG into this TRT protocol? Should i stop my weekly injections and do HCG EOD instead? I don't want to use more than 250iu at a time due to E2 fluctations.

Any help would be great.

Make more frequent T injections plus HCG injections, must do both per schedule below.
Get 300mg (DIM+I3C) + 1000mg TMG every day
do that for five months, in that time do not look if you have erection or not.,
do not do any blood tests, do not check your varicocele
do not argue, print this and look at it when you feel distracted or weak.
Do not buy Indolplex, get combination with I3C
LEF Dual-Action is good, it have additionally Resveratrol
Get Chrysin from LEF (Super Miraforte)
125mg of test a week =125/7*3=54mg every 3rd day
Day1 54mg test
Day2 200IU HCG
Day3 200IU HCG
Day4 54mg test
Day5 200IU HCG
Day6 200IU HCG
Day7 54mg test
Day8 200IU HCG
Day9 200IU HCG
Day10 54mg test
Day11 200IU HCG
Day12 200IU HCG
Day13 54mg test
Day14 200IU HCG
Day15 200IU HCG
Day16 54mg test
Day17 200IU HCG
Day18 200IU HCG
Day19 54mg test
Day20 200IU HCG
Day21 200IU HCG
Day22 54mg test
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[pmgamer18]

I don't know how your doing your shots needle wise but like JanSz says do 50mgs of T every 3 days and the 2 days each do 350 IU's of HCG. You will need to add something to keep E2 down if it goes up. But this is my program and it's the best way for me to do TRT. Just keep on Trying don't give up. I have been at this 24 yrs now had my famly problems to boot. Every time I felt like cashing it in I kept it to myself and would start plaining how I was going to do it. Did some search's on the net to see if anything was on it that would help or show me the best way to do this. I came accross a site of people that tried to off there selfs and screwed it up and ended up worse off then they were before. Well you know what happened I am still here posting.

When I look back on my life with this dam problem I find I don't remember the real bad days and there were a lot of them. More bad then good I have talked to a lot of men with this problem and most of them did not want to live anymore we all feel like this. But just think everyday Dr.'s are finding out new treatments to many problems look at cancer now the treatment is 100 times better then it was just 2 yrs. ago. We have a family member with stage 4 cancer and she is doing great with treatment. So don't give up there is new hope in each new day. And you have a right to feel like this just don't act on it.

[keaster]

Make sure you are reading and understanding the ENTIRE artcle. The abstract is not sufficient. If you need help getting the full article or understadning it PM me cause I have access to most medical journals (for university)