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Old 03-16-2007, 05:30 PM
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An update to a previous post, new lap data.

4 years ago lost almost all testicular function in one testes due to a torsion.

No treatment:
4/14/04 Total T 261 ng/dL (Labcorp)
5/7/06 Total T 350 ng/dL (Labcorp)

Clomid Stimulation Test:
9/23/06 Total T: 525 ng/dL (Quest)
9/23/06 Estradiol-Ultrasensitive: 34 pg/mL (Quest)

Clomid Treatment - 25mg Time release, 3x a week:
11/30/06 Total T: 436 ng/dL (Unsure - may have been done in house by hospital)
11/30/06 17-Beta Estradiol: 30 pg/mL

hCG Treatment,500 IU, 3x a week, 6 weeks, SQ at night before bed: (APP hCG)
1/30/07 Total T: 386 ng/dL (Quest)
1/30/07 Estradiol, High Sensitivity: 34 pg/mL

Newest results:
hCCG Treatment, 700 IU, 3x a week, 3 weeks, SQ at night before bed: (APP for 9 of 10 shots, Novarel for the last)
03/03/07 Total T: 308 ng/dL (Quest)
03/03/07 Estradiol, High Sensitivity: 36 pg/dL


Unless the APP hCG was total crap, or I was screwing up my injections (don't see how)... hCG may be doing little, if anything for me.

The one positive note is the increased E2 (highest recorded for me, limited sample of course)... may suggest that the hCG is raising my T, and more is getting converted... And possibly the accuracy of the T testing is off.

(My T levels, over the years, seem to very greatly... But since I have been seeing a specialists who measures E2 levels also, they've been pretty rock solid.)

I guess since I'm kind of depressed about this - I'm looking for input. I'm concerned that if hCG doesn't work at all with me, that exogenous T may cause my remaining normal testicle to atrophe, and hCG won't be able to prevent it.

Thanks guys.
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Old 03-16-2007, 07:18 PM
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Default Re: poor hCG results - depressing

Most men need to do both and that APP brand of HCG I found is crap. Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG update.
I do 50 mgs. of depo T shots every 3 days and the 2 days each in between I do 250 IU's of HCG novarel. My Total T levels are allways up in the upper 1/3 of my labs range. And I keep my E2 down between 10 to 30 best at 20 pg/ml.
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